The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

Has Jeremy ever come up with a scenario ?

He says he is 'innocent' & there is 'no question Sheila carried out the murders'.

Critics have always mentioned Nevilles beatings, alledged phone calls in the excitement ,Sheila's lack of gun experience & the found silencer.

Be good to know in detail from Jeremy how Sheila did it on the night. He's had 28 years to think of a scenario.

Perhaps he was relying on the plain facts and the common sense of the jury to free him. But obviously he didn't count on a lying Julie Mugford and a few silly scenarios dreamed up by the relatives? Just remember that it was not Jeremy who has said all those things about him. But others, all who have something to gain if he is behind bars.

[grahameb]

My scenario at least matched the crime scene & bullet allocation.

How can it if we do not have the exact times of death of each individual?

[grahameb]

Jeremys official website has long articles on Mugford, the relatives, new evidence, Sheila etc. Thought he might be able to offer his opinion on how Sheila committed the crime.

You see that is where some go wrong. They are so taken up with "how" Sheila committed the crime. Yet miss out the fact that she may indeed have done so. Just because they cannot see it themselves does not mean that she didn't do it. Remember Taff Jones a very experienced police officer was thoroughly convinced that it was Sheila who did it right up to his death. He was looking at the crime scene as it was. It was not some of the other officers who thought she did it as Miller said in the documentary. But the relatives who kept pestering him so much that he threatened to have them ejected from the police station. He was there and no one present contradicted him.

[Adam]

How can it if we do not have the exact times of death of each individual?

The crime scene as it was found upon entry.

If Jeremy committed the murders it was done between 11am - 3am. I suspect around 2am when everyone should be fast asleep.  From first bullet to last would have been quick. Maybe less than 10 minutes.

If Sheila committed the crime it could be anytime between 3.26am to when the police forced entry. I suspect the murders were again carried out in quick succession. However she could delay her suicide to any time. But not sure how her blood got on the silencer.

[Adam]

Perhaps he was relying on the plain facts and the common sense of the jury to free him. But obviously he didn't count on a lying Julie Mugford and a few silly scenarios dreamed up by the relatives? Just remember that it was not Jeremy who has said all those things about him. But others, all who have something to gain if he is behind bars.

Jeremy must be the unluckiest man on earth.

Mugford accused him of murder after he apparently jilted her. His own relatives turned on him & the EP suddenly changed their mind & charged him with murder. All this just after his family had died.

Then the jury could not use common sense & acquit him.

[Adam]

You see that is where some go wrong. They are so taken up with "how" Sheila committed the crime. Yet miss out the fact that she may indeed have done so. Just because they cannot see it themselves does not mean that she didn't do it. Remember Taff Jones a very experienced police officer was thoroughly convinced that it was Sheila who did it right up to his death. He was looking at the crime scene as it was. It was not some of the other officers who thought she did it as Miller said in the documentary. But the relatives who kept pestering him so much that he threatened to have them ejected from the police station. He was there and no one present contradicted him.

Some of my posts today have been trying to work out how Sheila did it. I have from day one invited Sheila scenarios.

At present it seems the most likely explanation was Neville got shot three times in the head in the kitchen. Then Sheila spent the next few minutes giving a dead Neville two black eyes, damaged teeth, neck,  jaw & larynx.

[Alias]

The crime scene as it was found upon entry.

If Jeremy committed the murders it was done between 11am - 3am. I suspect around 2am when everyone should be fast asleep.  From first bullet to last would have been quick. Maybe less than 10 minutes.

If Sheila committed the crime it could be anytime between 3.26am to when the police forced entry. I suspect the murders were again carried out in quick succession. However she could delay her suicide to any time. But not sure how her blood got on the silencer.

And I am not sure how Sheila´s body could look so "fresh" when the photographs were taken in midmorning - June and Nevill´s not so much (!) - if we go by the first option you put up.

[Adam]

Jeremy must be the unluckiest man on earth.

Mugford accused him of murder after he apparently jilted her. His own relatives turned on him & the EP suddenly changed their mind & charged him with murder. All this just after his family had died.

Then the jury could not use common sense & acquit him.

[Adam]

Unlucky if innocent.

[Jan]

I am not sure about the various reports on the silencer tbh -From what I have read if there was blood on it it was a mixture of two peoples blood. Other reports said only a protein was identified which could have belonged to an animal. It definitely could have been contaminated because of the way it got to the police and I am sure if it was today it would not even been accepted as evidence. Also there now appears to  be evidence that there was more than one silencer . Also the ballistic reports could not say the bulletts had been fired through a silencer. I would say IMO that if SC did it then she would have been in the throws of a catastrophic episode ( perhaps hearing voices etc) and would really been totally unaware of what she was actually doing - so I can not see that she would have used the silencer at all. If JB did it I can not see why he would have left that evidence and why the police did not find it in their search originally. IMO

[susan]

Adam  My concern is how did the silencer get into the gun cupboard and why were the relatives rooting through cupboards after the murders it was not their house and they found the silencer why did EP not find this crucial evidence and it was not handed over to EP immediately.  This should not have been removed from the crime scene by an unauthorised person.  Common sense tells you that had Sheila used the silencer she would not have put it back in the cupboard and if Jeremy had used it he would have cleaned it before putting it away or at least take it with him and get rid of it.  The police did remove silencers from the scene after the murders.  This stray one turned up days after

[Adam]

Colin Caffell said that the effects of anti-psychotic drug haloperidol had made her uncoordinated and clumsy. Loading and reloading the 10 bullet-magazine and still managing to hit the target 25 times out of 26 shots was not a feat they could realistically attribute to her, even in the grip of a presumed psychotic frenzy.

Adam, you amaze me. You come onto this forum. PREACH at at. Argue with every point one of us makes. Give every indication that YOU are the quintessential expert......................and yet it seems you have zero knowledge of mental illness. Have you taken on board NOTHING we've said? It would seem you either haven't OR you're so arrogant that you've chosen to dismiss it as having no meaning. We who have some understanding of mental illness, either through personal experience or education, would be more that willing to share some of that knowledge with you. All you have to do is ask.
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[susan]

Adam two members of the Jury were not convinced with Julie or the silencer evidence as they said Not Guilty.

[Adam]

Colin Caffell said that the effects of anti-psychotic drug haloperidol had made her uncoordinated and clumsy. Loading and reloading the 10 bullet-magazine and still managing to hit the target 25 times out of 26 shots was not a feat they could realistically attribute to her, even in the grip of a presumed psychotic frenzy.

[Adam]

Adam two members of the Jury were not convinced with Julie or the silencer evidence as they said Not Guilty.

Yes and further appeals have failed.