The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

So Sheila's condition meant it is very possible that she would brutally spend several minutes beating a dead man - her father. After firing three head shots in the kitchen, each shot hitting it's target.

All because his parents (according to Jeremy) had mentioned fostering that night.

The psychiatrists hired for the defence all said Sheila was not capable of going on such a murderous rampage.

Again, you show supreme lack of understanding. We are not talking about immediacy here. We are talking about a life time of emotional abuse which may have contributed to paranoid schizophrenia, and which because of it's slow onset, Dr F couldn't give a good prognosis for the future. The last time she was seen by a psychiatrist was a FULL 18 weeks prior to her death, during which time, her life was turned, emotionally, upside down and inside out, on top of all that, the meds which MAY have kept her safe, had been cut, without her being monitored, to a point where they may have been totally useless. It's all out there, Adam. READ IT.

[Adam]

Again, you show supreme lack of understanding. We are not talking about immediacy here. We are talking about a life time of emotional abuse which may have contributed to paranoid schizophrenia, and which because of it's slow onset, Dr F couldn't give a good prognosis for the future. The last time she was seen by a psychiatrist was a FULL 18 weeks prior to her death, during which time, her life was turned, emotionally, upside down and inside out, on top of all that, the meds which MAY have kept her safe, had been cut, without her being monitored, to a point where they may have been totally useless. It's all out there, Adam. READ IT.

So in you're view, yes she was capable.

After shooting Neville 5 times, two of the remaining five bullets were fired into either June or the twins. This may have given Neville time to make those two alledged phone calls.

Sheila then came downstairs and fired the remaining three bullets into Nevilles head while Neville was making his alledged frantic call to Jeremy. Those shots instantly killed Neville. Then Sheila either started her beating on a dead Neville or loaded the gun & went back upstairs, returning later to beat Neville.

Now we are getting somewhere.

[Jane]

So in you're view, yes she was capable.

After shooting Neville 5 times, two of the remaining five bullets were fired into either June or the twins. This may have given Neville time to make those two alledged phone calls.

Sheila then came downstairs and fired the remaining three bullets into Nevilles head while Neville was making his alledged frantic call to Jeremy. Those shots instantly killed Neville. Then Sheila either started her beating on a dead Neville or loaded the gun & went back upstairs, returning later to beat Neville.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Adam, any ONE of us, when pushed to our limits, would be capable. When we consider the emotional devastation Sheila had experienced during those last 18 weeks without the stable dose of meds which MAY have protected her -and incidentally, these days would probably have resulted in the NHS being sued for negligence- it looks far more likely that she, rather than Jeremy, was responsible, but please feel free to keep coming up with scenarios although you must realize that someone else may already have come up with the correct one. We'll never know, will we.

[Adam]

Adam, any ONE of us, when pushed to our limits, would be capable. When we consider the emotional devastation Sheila had experienced during those last 18 weeks without the stable dose of meds which MAY have protected her -and incidentally, these days would probably have resulted in the NHS being sued for negligence- it looks far more likely that she, rather than Jeremy, was responsible, but please feel free to keep coming up with scenarios although you must realize that someone else may already have come up with the correct one. We'll never know, will we.

Has Jeremy ever come up with a scenario ?

He says he is 'innocent' & there is 'no question Sheila carried out the murders'.

Critics have always mentioned Nevilles beatings, alledged phone calls in the excitement ,Sheila's lack of gun experience & the found silencer.

Be good to know in detail from Jeremy how Sheila did it on the night. He's had 28 years to think of a scenario.

[Jan]

Any possibility that some of his injuries could have been caused by falling down or being pushed down stairs? Just a thought.

[maggie]

Any possibility that some of his injuries could have been caused by falling down or being pushed down stairs? Just a thought.

Hi jansus, that same thought has occured to me. Falling heavily when injured could cause dreadful injuries but Venazis reckoned it was caused by being severely beaten with the rifle butt so without proof we have to go with that.
I agree it is a possibility.   

[Jan]

so on the rifle butt there should have been definite evidence of that. Agree that if the person was incapacitated it would have been possible for SC to inflict those injuries.

[Jane]

Has Jeremy ever come up with a scenario ?

He says he is 'innocent' & there is 'no question Sheila carried out the murders'.

Critics have always mentioned Nevilles beatings, alledged phone calls in the excitement ,Sheila's lack of gun experience & the found silencer.

Be good to know in detail from Jeremy how Sheila did it on the night. He's had 28 years to think of a scenario.

Why would Jeremy have a scenario to offer that's any more realistic than some offered here? Why do you add inverts when you refer to Jeremy's innocence? Have you not stated on many occasions that you have an open mind. I refrain from, although am tempted to use, inverts.

[Jan]

So Sheila's condition meant it is very possible that she would brutally spend several minutes beating a dead man - her father. After firing three head shots in the kitchen, each shot hitting it's target.

All because his parents (according to Jeremy) had mentioned fostering that night.

The psychiatrists hired for the defence all said Sheila was not capable of going on such a murderous rampage.

,The expert opinions are just that , opinions . I bet all the friends and colleagues of the guy in the lost prophets also would have sworn he was not capable of the evil he inflicted. So having read her past medical history and her violence towards others - I am considering that statement to just be an opinion.
In most court cases you get "experts" giving differing opinions. Also I would imagine that since the time of the trial case studies  and medical studies have moved opinions on.

[Jan]

Why would Jeremy have a scenario to offer that's any more realistic than some offered here? Why do you add inverts when you refer to Jeremy's innocence? Have you not stated on many occasions that you have an open mind. I refrain from, although am tempted to use, inverts.

IF he is innocent then it would be just that , a scenario because he would not have been there to see what happened. If he is guilty then he would have planned "the perfect crime" so his scenario would have been spot on - to prove his innocence.

[Adam]

so on the rifle butt there should have been definite evidence of that. Agree that if the person was incapacitated it would have been possible for SC to inflict those injuries.

Once shot in the head, yes. He would be dead.

After the torso shots, Neville was fit enough to get downstairs & make two phone calls according to Jeremy. So Neville would have put up a good fight against a much smaller opponent. But Jeremy would not have had much problem overpowering an injured Neville.

But as said by another poster, Sheila's psychotic conditon meant she was capable of spending several minutes beating a dead Neville.

[Adam]

Why would Jeremy have a scenario to offer that's any more realistic than some offered here? Why do you add inverts when you refer to Jeremy's innocence? Have you not stated on many occasions that you have an open mind. I refrain from, although am tempted to use, inverts.

I read on his official site that Sheila put the silencer away & then went upstairs & shot herself again.

This is poor & Jeremy should fire the writer. Firstly it is agreeing the blood on the silencer is Sheila's.

Two cartridges were found next to Sheila upstairs & her arms were not long enough with the silencer on. The court pathologist also said it was impossible to walk up the stairs after the first shot.

[Adam]

Why would Jeremy have a scenario to offer that's any more realistic than some offered here? Why do you add inverts when you refer to Jeremy's innocence? Have you not stated on many occasions that you have an open mind. I refrain from, although am tempted to use, inverts.

Jeremys official website has long articles on Mugford, the relatives, new evidence, Sheila etc. Thought he might be able to offer his opinion on how Sheila committed the crime.

[Adam]

I agree that the above (in bold) is of course VERY unlikely!! However, as Jeremy (or the writer of his website) wasn't there either, there scenario's will be just as bad (or good) as the rest of them. Trying to explain events you weren't party to, is always going to lead to wild speculation.

Personally, I don't think the silencer was EVER on the rifle that night!!

The latest appeal is focusing on the silencer. However that is more to do with serial numbers. Andrew Hunter said it is Sheila's blood on the silencer five days ago.

It was testified in court that it was Sheila's blood. After the trial more tests were done which showed Sheila matching 13 of 17 criteria for it to be her blood.

[Adam]

I agree that the above (in bold) is of course VERY unlikely!! However, as Jeremy (or the writer of his website) wasn't there either, there scenario's will be just as bad (or good) as the rest of them. Trying to explain events you weren't party to, is always going to lead to wild speculation.

Personally, I don't think the silencer was EVER on the rifle that night!!

My scenario at least matched the crime scene & bullet allocation.