The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

There was nothing else he could do to "cover his tracks". Police had burned the carpets and bedding and Jeremy playing the innocent bereaved victim had conned the head of the investigation DCI Taff Jones. June and Nevill were similarly cremated to avoid an exhumation at a later stage. The map of the possible routes to the White House are here: I don't know the area but I assume there are many more possibilities travelling through open countryside.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

So the "many" routes of Adam's were reduced by 3 routes when I asked what they were. Now according to this map there are in reality only 2. Either by road or by sea wall. Can we infer from this that Adam was exagerating a great deal when he said that Jeremy could go by "many" routes?

[grahameb]

Adam two days ago you said Jeremy would have to graft for another 15 years now it has jumped to 20.  Nevill at 61 you describe as a frail old man now you are saying he would go on farming till he was 81 make your mind up.

No no Susan. Ralph is a frail old man when he fights Jeremy. But he's a strong 6ft farmer when he fights Sheila.

[grahameb]

Yes Jeremy serving life is justice.

If he were the murderer. If not then it is a miscarriage of justice.

[susan]

jansus  we are suppose to be getting gale force winds this afternoon   I agree the assets of the Bambers would have been automatically split between Sheila and Jeremy.  What Adam is forgetting that Grannie Speakman was well heeled and old and frail and Jeremy was in that will so he would have got a nice sum there no need to kill his own family for one.  I have read witness statements where it is documented that Sheila had episodes of violence and the twins were seen to have bruises and comments were passed by their teachers to Social Workers.  Freddi was terrified of her when she had an episode and this is documented as well but as I said Adam will only believe what suits him.

[Jan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html

Adam and Steve should read this statement again.

 I doubt very much if JB was aware of all of this . I still Imagine SBs parents wanting to keep most of this private. It must have been a very sad and difficult time for them. For any family to have to cope with this type of illness must be very stressful. I know what he says about violence towards the family but she had shown violence towards others and unfortunately it could have been that the first time it happened was the last. Murder does not always have a motive. Not in a disturbed mind anyway.

[grahameb]

People have an image of a psychopath as a Jack Nicholson character saying 'Here's Johnny'.

But they can be very charming. As mentioned Hanratty had many supporters. Even when DNA nailed him his supporters claimed it was contaminated. However the only DNA found was Hanratty's. Robert Napper was never suspected & Churchill said he would find Hitler charming if they ever met.

I actually remember the Hanratty case. I was in school at the time. Apparently the whole case hinged upon his victim recognising him. Without looking it up that's all I can remember about it.

[susan]

Grahame Adam is prone to exaggerating.

[Jane]

So the "many" routes of Adam's were reduced by 3 routes when I asked what they were. Now according to this map there are in reality only 2. Either by road or by sea wall. Can we infer from this that Adam was exagerating a great deal when he said that Jeremy could go by "many" routes?

The sea wall route may be ruled out because there was work being done on it in that area.

[Roch]

Adam,

Would it be fair to suggest that you are a 'patrician'?

Do you identify your self with in some way with authority?  Do you believe that miscarriage of justice campaigners are to be opposed, for a greater good?  Even though the system has flaws, in the main it works and is good?  It's better to sacrifice Jeremy Bamber than to bring the system in to disrepute? 

[susan]

jansus  I have just read the statement again and yes the Bambers would want to keep Sheila's illness quiet as it was a stigma back then.  Sure Jeremy would only have heard snippets of how serious it was and a mentally ill person does not have to have a reason to kill something sets them off and they think that is the right thing they are doing.  Sheila believed she was ridding the world of evil very very sad indeed.

[susan]

Roch

in his dreams he seems to want to solve the Jeremy Bamber case.  Sorry EP did this not sure what Adam is trying to prove.  Us all wrong I suspect

[lookout]

jansus  I have just read the statement again and yes the Bambers would want to keep Sheila's illness quiet as it was a stigma back then.  Sure Jeremy would only have heard snippets of how serious it was and a mentally ill person does not have to have a reason to kill something sets them off and they think that is the right thing they are doing.  Sheila believed she was ridding the world of evil very very sad indeed.

Hi Susan,,even today,mental illness is still looked upon as a " plague-like " illness,,and we're no further on with research of brain conditions. Look at all the killings/murders that happen randomly specifically by those who suffer from schizophrenia.

[susan]

Hello lookout I agree mental illness is not talked about freely is it and people suffering from this illness are not getting the support they need and deserve.

[Alias]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html

Adam and Steve should read this statement again.

 I doubt very much if JB was aware of all of this . I still Imagine SBs parents wanting to keep most of this private. It must have been a very sad and difficult time for them. For any family to have to cope with this type of illness must be very stressful. I know what he says about violence towards the family but she had shown violence towards others and unfortunately it could have been that the first time it happened was the last. Murder does not always have a motive. Not in a disturbed mind anyway.

Often schizophrenics target their own families. They start seeing them as enimies who are out to hurt them (Sheila clearly thought her sons could harm her, even kill her!). In some cases it tragically ends in murder. 

[grahameb]

Adam,

Would it be fair to suggest that you are a 'patrician'?

Do you identify your self with in some way with authority?  Do you believe that miscarriage of justice campaigners are to be opposed, for a greater good?  Even though the system has flaws, in the main it works and is good?  It's better to sacrifice Jeremy Bamber than to bring the system in to disrepute?

Or as Lord Denning put it,

"It is better an innocent man  serves a life  sentence than the law is seen to be making grave errors."