The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

I believe Nevill with his RAF and farming background would have been logical and pragmatic about dealing with an emotionally disturbed daughter with a loaded gun.

The time between a loaded gun being not active and the active is less than one second. One cannot afford any time to someone with a loaded gun.

I don't believe Nevill would have been undecided about what to do, hesitating over drawn out phone calls, leaving others in the house unprotected, running to the kitchen, etc. 

Being a rifle owner myself there is no way I would ask support from another member of my family (to add living at a different address) knowing I would be bringing them in to danger. No Way!

There is always the danger Sheila could simply have shot herself. I would have disarmed my daughter to not only protect the other members of the family in the house, but also from herself.

Now come on dear. Hand it over......BANG!....OUCH!.

[susan]

Morning Grahame  good point but I fail to see how it is relevant if Jeremy arrived a couple of minutes before the police.  I would be the type if I thought a crisis was ahead of me I would make sure others arrived before me as I am hopeless in a crisis perhaps Jeremy felt the same.

[grahameb]

McG, He is , but nothing to do with JB on this occasion 

I reckon if they could they'd blame that on him as well. He seems to done every other bad thing in the world. The archetypal villain as they say.

[grahameb]

Naughty Nickos Oliver Reed gave me more laughs than Adam well maybe not

He was actually a very disciplined actor believe it or not.

[susan]

Hi Grahame I had tremendous respect for Oliver Reed but when he was on a talk show drunk he was so funny and embarrassing for the talk show host and he was so nice with it. Loved him to bits.

[grahameb]

Morning Grahame  good point but I fail to see how it is relevant if Jeremy arrived a couple of minutes before the police.  I would be the type if I thought a crisis was ahead of me I would make sure others arrived before me as I am hopeless in a crisis perhaps Jeremy felt the same.

The so called "driving very slowly" business was nothing to write home about. Just think logically for a bit. Because it is obvious that some on the forum do not have that ability. What difference would it have made if he drove slowly or very fast? Absolutely NONE. He was told to wait for the police to arrive, right? So they fully expected him to be there when they arrived. No. It was just a red herring comment thrown in by the cops for good measure to make Jeremy look bad.

[grahameb]

Hi Grahame I had tremendous respect for Oliver Reed but when he was on a talk show drunk he was so funny and embarrassing for the talk show host and he was so nice with it. Loved him to bits.

I believe he was a very generous man as well. It is a pity that he was an alcoholic.

[susan]

Grahame it is quite stupid really had Jeremy arrived just minutes before the police his engine would have been warm his car was seen parked at his house so what is this all about them clutching at straws methinks have nothing really to link him to the crime.

[susan]

Grahame he was a very clever generous man he did not ask to be born an alcoholic

[grahameb]

Grahame he was a very clever generous man he did not ask to be born an alcoholic

Erm.....I'm not sure if he was "born" an alcoholic? But then I haven't read his life story. :D

[susan]

Adam please explain yourself why was it sad for Jeremy that the police overtook him.  I just do not understand what point you are trying to make.

[grahameb]

Adam please explain yourself why was it sad for Jeremy that the police overtook him.  I just do not understand what point you are trying to make.

Police are always overtaking me....And I'm not sad.

[susan]

Grahame it appears that some people can drink alcohol and stop it when they wish an alcoholic can't do this once the body has had alcohol it craves it.  When I said born one what I meant was some people are predisposed to this condition.

[susan]

Ha Ha Grahame of course you are not sad

[Nickos]

If it was part of his cunning plan it was pretty pointless really. Everyone was dead so why bother to say he loaded the gun? There was no reason to mention any gun being left out loaded. Guns were always left out round the farmhouse, it's the way farmers lived in those days.

Jb did have a reason for mentioning the gun being left out. It was to support his story of implicating Sheila in the murders.

The JB story;

Heard rabbits.

Loaded magazine to full (even though he could have only possibly shot one with silencer off)

Shot non (implication magazine was still full)

Left out rifle with magazine (implication - it was easy for Sheila to access).

Sheila picked up said rifle and shot them all.

Another made up JB story;

My father called me to say etc....

Nevill found in kitchen (implication - fits in with father calling JB story)

phone found off the hook (implication - fits in with father calling JB story)

Nevill allegedly says please come over etc (implication Sheila did it)