The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Adam I believe Oliver Reed is dead

[Adam]

Adam you posted this up yesterday and I asked you where this was documented as I have never read this before.

I told you the Youtube site.

[Jan]

Adam rabbits talk to each other and sound like frogs croaking. Shows you have never lived in the Country.

I have though My dad always knows when there were rabbits in his cabbages.
 Also in those days I have got to say the gun laws were not adhered to very much (at least with the people I knew) . My ex was always leaving his shot gun around not locked away . He was not the most sound of people either. Could never understand how he got a licence in the first place .

[Adam]

so?
Are you saying no-one lies under oath? I every court  case someone is not telling the truth, otherwise there would be no need for a trial would there? And any way JM told the newspaper that JB never admitted he did it either to her or to the court. So she was definitely telling lies at some stage?

We are back to Jeremys claim on the Official website.

Everyone is lying. Even under oath. Except Jeremy.

[susan]

Adam I suspect Jeremy just wanted an excuse to go outside probably quite an atmosphere in the kitchen over the talk of fostering the twins and he would have not felt comfortable what 24 year old guy would.

[Jan]

Jeremy said it sounded like Neville was already injured while on the phone. But there was no blood on the phone.

The pathologist said Neville would have had difficulty speaking after the brutal beating Sheila gave him.

None of it makes sense.

How do you know she did not beat him after she shot him? She could have been doing that in the hours whilst the police were outside?

[Adam]

I have though My dad always knows when there were rabbits in his cabbages.
 Also in those days I have got to say the gun laws were not adhered to very much (at least with the people I knew) . My ex was always leaving his shot gun around not locked away . He was not the most sound of people either. Could never understand how he got a licence in the first place .

At the end of the day, Jeremy said himself he loaded a gun the night before the murders. He did not fire any shots. Then left the gun in the kitchen.

Coincidence ? Or part of the mountain of circumstantial evidence the judge mentioned.

[Jan]

We are back to Jeremys claim on the Official website.

Everyone is lying. Even under oath. Except Jeremy.

I have not read the full transcripts but I am sure the defence had some witnesses - so not all . But unless we see what is in the original police files we wont know will we? And BW certainly changed her statements as did JM . I am not stating this as fact - but as a possibility. And the police certainly withheld evidence.

[Adam]

How do you know she did not beat him after she shot him? She could have been doing that in the hours whilst the police were outside?

Not heard that before. Sheila beating Neville while the police are outside.

[maggie]

At the end of the day, Jeremy said himself he loaded a gun the night before the murders. He did not fire any shots. Then left the gun in the kitchen.

Coincidence ? Or part of the mountain of circumstantial evidence the judge mentioned.

If it was part of his cunning plan it was pretty pointless really. Everyone was dead so why bother to say he loaded the gun? There was no reason to mention any gun being left out loaded. Guns were always left out round the farmhouse, it's the way farmers lived in those days.

[Jan]

I did not say she did. It was a question . They were outside for hours so we don't know what was going on inside do we?

You can read JB statements in the archives - it explains about the rabbits and how he left the gun and where he left it.

[grahameb]

Perhaps Neville thought if there was a chance he could get past a crazy Sheila & open the front door, everything would be alright.

Although Jeremy thought Sheila was a 'nutter' & 'he didn't like her & she didn't like him'' Neville thought Jeremy would save the day.

Or perhaps that's why Ralph rushed downstairs, to unlock the door? I suppose we will never know?

[Adam]

If it was part of his cunning plan it was pretty pointless really. Everyone was dead so why bother to say he loaded the gun? There was no reason to mention any gun being left out loaded. Guns were always left out round the farmhouse, it's the way farmers lived in those days.

Thought guns were usually left in the locked gun cupboard.

Jeremy left the house at 10 that evening. He would be hopeing that a tired Neville will not bother putting the loaded gun away. The 5 people were in the house. At the same time. No wonder Mugford says Jeremy said 'tonights the night' & 'it's now or never'.

Or as you said, perhaps there were lots of guns accessible.

[grahameb]

Thought guns were usually left in the locked gun cupboard.

Jeremy left the house at 10 that evening. He would be hopeing that a tired Neville will not bother putting the loaded gun away. The 5 people were in the house. At the same time. No wonder Mugford says Jeremy said 'tonights the night' & 'it's now or never'.

Or as you said, perhaps there were lots of guns accessible.

They should have been. But there was also a shotgun propped up against a wall. It appears that the family didn't take safety very seriously? The gun cupboard was only a cupboard under the stairs. It should have been a specially made secure cupboard with a proper lock on it.

[Jan]

They should have been. But there was also a shotgun propped up against a wall. It appears that the family didn't take safety very seriously? The gun cupboard was only a cupboard under the stairs. It should have been a specially made secure cupboard with a proper lock on it.

I agree , I also used to visit a game keepers house as a child and his guns were never locked away.