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Offline grahameb

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #510 on: December 07, 2013, 04:25:PM »
Why frame Jeremy ? They already had the case sewn up as murder/suicide.

Was Jeremy a known gangster & criminal they were desparate to put inside,  who had slipped through their fingers before ? No. The police believed his murder/suicide theory at first & Jeremy always made them coffee when they visited.

I do not believe a few relatives could pressurise the police into doing something they did not beleive.
The police actually had Jeremy under surveillance at the time concerning drugs going missing from WHF. So no he wasn't the messiah. He was a very naughty boy. ;D

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« Reply #511 on: December 07, 2013, 04:27:PM »

If they'd have canvassed 100 psychiatrists, NONE could do more than base their assessment on the person who was seen 18 full weeks PRIOR to her death, at which time it wasn't known that her meds weren't balanced. What was known was that she had a positive outlook and hopes of a bright future. How could they possibly judge the person she became after all those hopes were dashed when they'd never seen her.

If you see your doctor tomorrow and he gives you a clean bill of health based on your visit, how can he possibly know how you'll be 18 weeks down the line if you life circumstances change?
18 weeks is not such a long time:too soon to know the repercussions of the meeting with her birth mother or to speculate whether she had been rebuffed by her,too soon for her to change her opinion of the twins she was missing in Ann Eaton's letter,too soon to give up on life..

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« Reply #512 on: December 07, 2013, 04:30:PM »
So the courts are also corupt now ?

I believe Jeremy had a fair trial. It lasted 19 days. All evidence available at the time was submitted. Jeremy had very expensive lawyers & chose to take the stand himself.

Mary Mugford, Julie's mother took the stand at the trial.

She said Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad & sending him to boarding school. Jeremy & June apparently never spoke.  He also felt June loved the twins more. He even called Mary Mugford 'mummy' instead & offered Mary Junes car after the shootings.

Jeremy had told Mary that June was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons.


Always a shame when mothers & sons do not get on.

Do people think Mary Mugford lied ?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #513 on: December 07, 2013, 04:31:PM »
The police actually had Jeremy under surveillance at the time concerning drugs going missing from WHF. So no he wasn't the messiah. He was a very naughty boy. ;D

I did not know that.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #514 on: December 07, 2013, 04:33:PM »
Do people think Mary Mugford lied ?

who is mary mugford.

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« Reply #515 on: December 07, 2013, 04:35:PM »
Julie' mother.

My post on this page shows what she said under oath at court.

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« Reply #516 on: December 07, 2013, 04:36:PM »
18 weeks is not such a long time:too soon to know the repercussions of the meeting with her birth mother or to speculate whether she had been rebuffed by her,too soon for her to change her opinion of the twins she was missing in Ann Eaton's letter,too soon to give up on life..




But Steve, it may have been too short a time for YOU to know, but you presumably haven't been in a place were Sheila was.

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« Reply #517 on: December 07, 2013, 04:43:PM »
nugnug also ask the Guildford 4 and the Cardiff 3 who were MOJ along with many many other cases.  Police corruption.  Adam Google these cases and see what the police were capable of.

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« Reply #518 on: December 07, 2013, 04:46:PM »
nugnug also ask the Guildford 4 and the Cardiff 3 who were MOJ along with many many other cases.  Police corruption.  Adam Google these cases and see what the police were capable of.

Cardiff 3 ? Never heard of them.

Do you think Mary Mugford lied ?
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« Reply #519 on: December 07, 2013, 04:47:PM »
So the courts are also corupt now ?

I believe Jeremy had a fair trial. It lasted 19 days. All evidence available at the time was submitted. Jeremy had very expensive lawyers & chose to take the stand himself.

Mary Mugford, Julie's mother took the stand at the trial.

She said Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad & sending him to boarding school. Jeremy & June apparently never spoke.  He also felt June loved the twins more. He even called Mary Mugford 'mummy' instead & offered Mary Junes car after the shootings.

Jeremy had told Mary that June was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons.


Always a shame when mothers & sons do not get on.
Some of them are yes. Or you wouldn't get miscarriages of justice. For instance a certain man at the CCRC doesn't like Jeremy and has made his feelings no secret either. So with prejudice like that how can one get justice?

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« Reply #520 on: December 07, 2013, 04:48:PM »
Do people think Mary Mugford lied ?
You will be surprised how many parents will lie for their children.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #521 on: December 07, 2013, 04:48:PM »
Do you think EP lied Adam?

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« Reply #522 on: December 07, 2013, 04:52:PM »
Do you think EP lied Adam?

Everyone lied, EP, the courts, appeal courts, relatives, Rimmington, Mugford, Mary Mugford, Barbara Wilson. Roger Wilkes.

Everyone.
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« Reply #523 on: December 07, 2013, 04:55:PM »
Everyone lied, EP, the courts, appeal courts, relatives, Rimmington, Mugford, Mary Mugford, Barbara Wilson. Roger Wilkes.

Everyone.
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At present I have an open mind & lots of questions. Am ready to be persuaded one way or the other.
Seems now you're an expert since December 1st? And very easily and quickly persuaded?
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #524 on: December 07, 2013, 04:56:PM »
No so Nick. You I do not count among that few. You have reached your position by examining the evidence. As have I. But even you must admin that there are those on the guilty side wh seem to be stuck in the same groove for ever. You know those who just will not examine the evidence but would contradict everything just so they can prove their senario to be the right one. Sadly I find that position to be more amongst the "guilty party" than I do the innocence party?

As long as the nons have to restort to dressing Jeremy in a wtsuit and marigolds (which they do!) and to have Sheila literally a zombie just waiting her turn to be killed, I cannot take what they say seriously. To make it fit, they have to come up with quite outlandish scenarios.