The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

It is in Roger Wilke's book. Chapter 26, page 182.

Oh. So you haven't examined or seen the logs yourself then? Please search the forum and look at the logs yourself with your own eyes. Then answer me.

[Adam]

Not so. They must first prove that Jeremy was at the scene. But instead of listening to the evidence they listened to the judge, who in my opinion was wrong.

Jeremys first appeal was based on the judges summing up. It was rejected.

[grahameb]

Oh, my mistake. At no time have the Essex police said they got a call from Neville. If they had then it would have been reported as soon as anyone suspected Jeremy. Unless the whole of EP are framing him.

Trying to prove Neville phoned the police must have been brought up much later. Along with the 'conversations inside the house' & 'two bodies downstairs' claims.

You obviously haven't experienced police corruption? They all close ranks to cover one colleague believe me.

[grahameb]

Jeremys first appeal was based on the judges summing up. It was rejected.

They were wrong. Corrupt lot all in each other's pockets that lot.

[tyler]

Adam...do dead bodies bleed? Or did EP lie in their statements as well as their logs?

[tyler]

The rifle that WPC Jeapes spotted in the box room window didn't appear to be there when the raid team entered. Assuming this was the Anschutz,how did it then appear on SC's body whilst JB was sitting in a police car in the grounds of whf? Is he a magician?

[Steve_uk]

Oh. So you haven't examined or seen the logs yourself then? Please search the forum and look at the logs yourself with your own eyes. Then answer me.

Grahame I reread Dr. Hugh Ferguson's statements last night and there's nothing incriminating there against Sheila and her alleged propensity for violence. The chapter Adam cites does mention that the Defence canvassed several psychiatrists as to the possibility that Sheila might have exploded in a psychotic episode and you can bet your life that any such evidence helpful to them would have been used. I can well understand why these psychiatrists would request anonymity along with one who insisted Jeremy demonstrated psychopathic traits which is what put Rivlin and Lawson in such a pessimistic frame of mind just as the trial was about to begin.

[lookout]

Grahame I reread Dr. Hugh Ferguson's statements last night and there's nothing incriminating there against Sheila and her alleged propensity for violence. The chapter Adam cites does mention that the Defence canvassed several psychiatrists as to the possibility that Sheila might have exploded in a psychotic episode and you can bet your life that any such evidence helpful to them would have been used. I can well understand why these psychiatrists would request anonymity along with one who insisted Jeremy demonstrated psychopathic traits which is what put Rivlin and Lawson in such a pessimistic frame of mind just as the trial was about to begin.

What about fearful Freddie,Steve ? Scared witless when Sheila threw an episode.Two GP's couldn't do anything with her,,now I ask you,is that normal.? Some psychiatrists know sweet fa.

[lookout]

Adam must be having his lunch.Blimey,,he'd talk a glass eye to sleep.

[tyler]

Grahame I reread Dr. Hugh Ferguson's statements last night and there's nothing incriminating there against Sheila and her alleged propensity for violence. The chapter Adam cites does mention that the Defence canvassed several psychiatrists as to the possibility that Sheila might have exploded in a psychotic episode and you can bet your life that any such evidence helpful to them would have been used. I can well understand why these psychiatrists would request anonymity along with one who insisted Jeremy demonstrated psychopathic traits which is what put Rivlin and Lawson in such a pessimistic frame of mind just as the trial was about to begin.

Steve,you know that much much more is known about mental illness these days as opposed to back in the 80's. The fact is that Sheila DID have psychotic episodes prior to the murders.And she did try to attack the gas man at whf prior to the murders.He reported that he was so frightened that he locked himself in his car! Why would Sheila's fingerprints be discovered on Nevill's shotgun? Was this related to the gunshots that a witness reported hearing from the vincinity of whf at around midnight prior to the murders? None of us can be certain as to what occurred that fateful night,least of all pyschiatrists that had never met or assessed Sheila!

[Caroline R]

Steve,you know that much much more is known about mental illness these days as opposed to back in the 80's. The fact is that Sheila DID have psychotic episodes prior to the murders.And she did try to attack the gas man at whf prior to the murders.He reported that he was so frightened that he locked himself in his car! Why would Sheila's fingerprints be discovered on Nevill's shotgun? Was this related to the gunshots that a witness reported hearing from the vincinity of whf at around midnight prior to the murders? None of us can be certain as to what occurred that fateful night,least of all pyschiatrists that had never met or assessed Sheila!

Hi Tyler - do yo know if we have the gas mans statement on the forum? I've never read it.

[tyler]

Hi Tyler - do yo know if we have the gas mans statement on the forum? I've never read it.

Im not sure tbh Caroline. I just know that I read it somehwhere and cant for the life of me remember where. Sorry!

[Caroline R]

Im not sure tbh Caroline. I just know that I read it somehwhere and cant for the life of me remember where. Sorry!

No problem, thanks anyway!!  , I'll ask Mike if he has a copy.

[Steve_uk]

What about fearful Freddie,Steve ? Scared witless when Sheila threw an episode.Two GP's couldn't do anything with her,,now I ask you,is that normal.? Some psychiatrists know sweet fa.

But she never struck him. Was Sheila getting her cannabis and cocaine from him(allegedly).It wouldn't surprise me..

[Steve_uk]

Steve,you know that much much more is known about mental illness these days as opposed to back in the 80's. The fact is that Sheila DID have psychotic episodes prior to the murders.And she did try to attack the gas man at whf prior to the murders.He reported that he was so frightened that he locked himself in his car! Why would Sheila's fingerprints be discovered on Nevill's shotgun? Was this related to the gunshots that a witness reported hearing from the vincinity of whf at around midnight prior to the murders? None of us can be certain as to what occurred that fateful night,least of all pyschiatrists that had never met or assessed Sheila!

This was the electricity man who also noticed a quiet family scene with the twins playing happily. Sheila was past the first phase of incarceration at St. Andrew's with the fantasies about the twins which Jeremy may well have got wind of in 1983, and discharged herself so her natural mother would not meet her in such a place. I don't know about the other weapon(I'm assuming it's the one Nevill kept under the bed),but more telling was Anthony Pargeter's evidence about noticing the new Anschutz in the gun cupboard ten days before the murders with the sights attached,and don't tell me Sheila unscrewed these along with everything else she was supposed to have done. The only explanation I have is that Jeremy removed them to prime this weapon for murder.