The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

Sheila gets a gun & goes up upstairs. Neville then phones Jeremy ?

Wouldn't Neville just take the gun off her. Lock the gun in the cupboard & keep the key ? He is the head of the household. A proud 6.4 farmer & former army officer. Why phone his son at 3am ?

Neville hears noises upstairs so rings the police ?

Wouldn't he run upstairs straight away.As the head of the household he will want to protect his daughter, wife & grand children.

Who knows what would happen?

[Caroline R]

So do you imagine that, had Neville asked her to "Please put the gun down, darling" she would have meekly complied? She MAY have not even have recognized who he was. She MAY have been responding to unseen stimuli. She MAY have thought a strange person was trying to attack her. She MAY have been screaming incoherently. Whatever, I imagine she was WAY past answering a polite request to "Please give the gun to Daddy, darling."

Well said April, this is what many 'guilty' supporters fail to take into account. They talk of Sheila in such a scenario as though she would be in a state of some reason. Unless you have experience of PS - you have no idea just how devastating it can be and when someone you love is in the throws of a psychotic episode, it's not only them that behaves irrationally. But the last thing I think Neville would have wanted, was the police involved UNLESS it was the last straw. That's why he called Jeremy FIRST.

The guilty argument fails at the point where Jeremy is supposed to lead Sheila by the hand so he can shoot her. But it's the ONLY way they can explain why she looks so calm in death. First thing she would have done when she saw her mother lying dead was scream to see the twins and fought for her life to make sure they were OK. There is no rigor because her hand was moved for pictures and there are many theories about 'plugs of blood' being dislodged to explain the wet blood still bleeding out of the wounds BUT that's all they are 'theories' - what is 'evident' is that the blood was wet and more to the point documents were altered. If there was so much evidence aginst Jeremy Bamber - why did they see fit to amend, bend and create evidence? Which in my opinion is exactly what happened!

[grahameb]

So he rang up Jeremy. Who would come over & save the day. In about half an hour ! Although that same night Jeremy was calling her a 'nutter' & saying they don't get on'. 

If anyone was going to calm down Sheila it was Neville, who had a good relationship with Sheila.


The thought of a small woman in a nightdress charging around the house at 3 in the morning. Re loading & beating grown men is darkly comical.

That is another reason I don't like senarios. Because of silly statements like that one.

[Caroline R]

That is another reason I don't like senarios. Because of silly statements like that one.

Me too and I've seen that highlighted sentence before. Which is even more 'darkly comical'

[Alias]

So he rang up Jeremy. Who would come over & save the day. In about half an hour ! Although that same night Jeremy was calling her a 'nutter' & saying they don't get on'. 

If anyone was going to calm down Sheila it was Neville, who had a good relationship with Sheila.


The thought of a small woman in a nightdress charging around the house at 3 in the morning. Re loading & beating grown men is darkly comical.

Is it equally or more darkly comical to imagine a guy in a wetsuit doing the same?``

[lookout]

So he rang up Jeremy. Who would come over & save the day. In about half an hour ! Although that same night Jeremy was calling her a 'nutter' & saying they don't get on'. 

If anyone was going to calm down Sheila it was Neville, who had a good relationship with Sheila.


The thought of a small woman in a nightdress charging around the house at 3 in the morning. Re loading & beating grown men is darkly comical.

Adam,,you clearly don't understand how a mentally sick woman reacts..Never under-estimate the strength any woman can muster given a " threatening " situation,,,sick or not. In Sheilas' case,,she had many other on-going issues besides being ill,,which can and does give rise to a show of strength.
I'm slightly-built getting on in years,,and on appearance one wouldn't think butter would melt,,but should the occasion rise where I'm faced with a dilemma of sorts ( threat ) then I know I am a force to be reckoned with. I'm of sound mind,neither paranoid nor a schizophrenic and don't take drugs,alcohol or any prescription medication for any mental problems.
Sheila on the other hand was all those things that I've just mentioned and if I was unfortunate to have been in her shoes,,I too would have had no trouble killing.
I don't know where people get this idea that Sheila couldn't kill.
Read about women who kill their babies/children,,as it's only through reading about this illness will you understand the reason/s why.
Nothing comical,,darkly or otherwise about a woman charging around the house. On the contrary,,she was a demented poorly understood soul who had NO support from any direction.

[grahameb]

Is it equally or more darkly comical to imagine a guy in a wetsuit doing the same?``

On a bike as well.

[Adam]

I know there are a 'few' examples of mothers killing their children.

Are there any examples of mothers also murdering their mother & father & themselves on the same night ?

Neville & June obviously felt safe otherwise they would not have invited her over to stay. Jeremy claims they spoke about fostering at dinner. Sheila did not really respond. Yet five hours later there were five dead people. 

[nugnug]

 also nevile may of been big but he was 61 he would of been trying to fight someone who was much younger and fitter than him.

[grahameb]

I know there are a 'few' examples of mothers killing their children.

Are there any examples of mothers also murdering their mother & father & themselves on the same night ?

Neville & June obviously felt safe otherwise they would not have invited her over to stay. Jeremy claims they spoke about fostering at dinner. Sheila did not really respond. Yet five hours later there were five dead people.

Unpredictability is one of the symptoms of Schizophrenia.

[Alias]

I know there are a 'few' examples of mothers killing their children.

Are there any examples of mothers also murdering their mother & father & themselves on the same night ?

Neville & June obviously felt safe otherwise they would not have invited her over to stay. Jeremy claims they spoke about fostering at dinner. Sheila did not really respond. Yet five hours later there were five dead people.

Sometimes when people run out of words they turn to violence...

[Adam]

On a bike as well.

People in wet suits are very flexible. Which is why surfers wear them. Is it correct that Jeremy borrowed a wet suit ? Was he planning to become a surfer ? !

[maggie]

I know there are a 'few' examples of mothers killer their children.

Are there any examples of mothers also murdering their mother & father & themselves on the same night ?

Neville & June obviously felt safe otherwise they would not have invited her over to stay. Jeremy claims they spoke about fostering at dinner. Sheila did not really respond. Yet five hours later there were five dead people.

A sign of a forthcoming violent psychotic episode, or brainstorm in a person with schizophrenia is often complete withdrawal before the violent episode or brainstorm.  Sheila's behaviour that evening is a clue to why she could have gone on and killed later that night.  It's classic.

[grahameb]

People in wet suits are very flexible. Which is why surfers wear them. Is it correct that Jeremy borrowed a wet suit ? Was he planning to become a surfer ? !

He had a wetsuit and he did surf. What people fail to realise of course is that a wetsuit would be the worst thing to wear if you are going to commit a murder where there is hoing to be a lot of blood around. Why? Because they are absorbent. Also if you have ever worn a wetsuit you will find that they are very difficult to move around in except of course if you are in the water.

[lookout]

I know there are a 'few' examples of mothers killing their children.

Are there any examples of mothers also murdering their mother & father & themselves on the same night ?

Neville & June obviously felt safe otherwise they would not have invited her over to stay. Jeremy claims they spoke about fostering at dinner. Sheila did not really respond. Yet five hours later there were five dead people.

Sheila would have been devastated to have seen her boys fostered out,,or even Colin with his new g/friend looking after them,,so in her mind it would have been a case of if she,herself couldn't have them,then nobody else was. June and Neville obviously did their best to reason with their daughter,,but because very few know this----------------you CAN'T reason with a paranoid schizophrenic,especially when they have been missing their medication,,and in Sheilas' case the Halopol had been reduced ( which was an insane move in anyones' books )