The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

A sign of a forthcoming violent psychotic episode, or brainstorm in a person with schizophrenia is often complete withdrawal followed by a violent episode or brainstorm.  Sheila's behaviour that evening is a clue to why she could have gone on and killed later that night.  It's classic.

Thank you.

Colin Caffell said Jeremy asked him when Sheila & the children were next due to stay at the house.

Jeremy had dinner with the family earlier in the evening. Was it common for him to do this ? Seems unusual as he did not like his family or working on the farm. Maybe he had supper that night to make sure the house would be full later. And to load the gun ?

[lookout]

Why would Colin Caffells first words be " she's finally done it " on hearing the tragic news ? Meaning that he wasn't surprised.

[grahameb]

Why would Colin Caffells first words be " she's finally done it " on hearing the tragic news ? Meaning that he wasn't surprised.

It also indicates that Colin believed she had the capability to do it.

[Jane]

Thank you.

Colin Caffell said Jeremy asked him when Sheila & the children were next due to stay at the house.

Jeremy had dinner with the family earlier in the evening. Was it common for him to do this ? Seems unusual as he did not like his family or working on the farm. Maybe he had supper that night to make sure the house would be full later ?

Or maybe it was just because it was harvest time and meals were grabbed, and it was easier for him to eat a meal put in front of him than go home to cook for himself.................and since WHEN did POSSIBLE and probably FLEETING dislike of family, as happens in MOST families of my acquaintance, prevent someone from being with them when it was convenient?

[maggie]

Thank you.

Colin Caffell said Jeremy asked him when Sheila & the children were next due to stay at the house.

Jeremy had dinner with the family earlier in the evening. Was it common for him to do this ? Seems unusual as he did not like his family or working on the farm. Maybe he had supper that night to make sure the house would be full later. And to load the gun ?

Adam, I think you are just stirring, of course Jeremy ate at the family home, he worked on the farm full time and had done for about 18 months.  It was harvest time so they were working late bringing in the crops late into the evening.  There is no proof that Jeremy didn't like his family, that is just introduced by guilters, it's a myth. I don't doubt as a teenager and young man they probably got on his nerves at times, especially when they didn't agree with his point of view but that's normal enough imo

[lookout]

It also indicates that Colin believed she had the capability to do it.

Exactly,,Grahame. It's almost an admission in itself.

[Caroline R]

Adam, I think you are just stirring, of course Jeremy ate at the family home, he worked on the farm full time and had done for about 18 months.  It was harvest time so they were working late bringing in the crops late into the evening.  There is no proof that Jeremy didn't like his family, that is just introduced by guilters, it's a myth. I don't doubt as a teenager and young man they probably got on his nerves at times, especially when they didn't agree with his point of view but that's normal enough imo

'Winding' more like!!

[Adam]

People other that Mugford have said how Jeremy did not like his 'old' father, 'insane' mother & 'nutter' sister. But I suppose all families can have rows.

[Jane]

People other that Mugford have said how Jeremy did not like his 'old' father, 'insane' mother & 'nutter' sister. But I suppose all families can have rows.

Show me a family that doesn't. ANY family.

[lookout]

People other that Mugford have said how Jeremy did not like his 'old' father, 'insane' mother & 'nutter' sister. But I suppose all families can have rows.

I hated my mother if I couldn't get my own way,,even screaming and pulling tongues at her,,but no way did murder/killing ever come into it. Next door neighbours at home years ago were always rowing,,and Mrs S would shout " I'll kill you ",if her husband forgot to wake her up ready for night-duty at the local hospital. Mr would reply to that by saying " he was going to buy a gun " because of the wifes' nagging.
A better,nicer family you'd ever wish to meet,,they were fantastic,and killing/murdering wasn't on their minds either.
What a lame excuse to use what Jeremy had said, into a criminal offence. Every damn thing was mis-interpreted and used against him,,to suit everyone else.
I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall when RWB used to kick off. I bet he used to same some choice phrases. People in glass houses are always throwing stones.

[nugnug]

People other that Mugford have said how Jeremy did not like his 'old' father, 'insane' mother & 'nutter' sister. But I suppose all families can have rows.

the relatives said then they had a vested interest in his conviction.

[lookout]

the relatives said then they had a vested interest in his conviction.

Yes,nugs,,and didn't they do well ??

[maggie]

I hated my mother if I couldn't get my own way,,even screaming and pulling tongues at her,,but no way did murder/killing ever come into it. Next door neighbours at home years ago were always rowing,,and Mrs S would shout " I'll kill you ",if her husband forgot to wake her up ready for night-duty at the local hospital. Mr would reply to that by saying " he was going to buy a gun " because of the wifes' nagging.
A better,nicer family you'd ever wish to meet,,they were fantastic,and killing/murdering wasn't on their minds either.
What a lame excuse to use what Jeremy had said, into a criminal offence. Every damn thing was mis-interpreted and used against him,,to suit everyone else.
I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall when RWB used to kick off. I bet he used to same some choice phrases. People in glass houses are always throwing stones.

Can't tell you how many times I told my Mum I hated her as a teenager, didn'thate her at all she was a great Mum but if she wouldn't let me have my own way, I HATED her. 

[lookout]

So true,Maggie. What were we like ? I probably didn't even know the proper meaning of hate neither.

[Martin]

Nevill 8 shots, June 7

Tot 15 - too many shots for the magazine (plus maybe 1 in the chamber) to hold. She (if it was Shelia) would have to reload after a max of 11 shots.

I personally don't think Sheila would have loaded a mag. to full (10) and inserted a bullet in the breach ready to go off killing.

Sheila could have reloaded and fired more shots after Nevill and June were dead and also shot the children after her parents were dead.

It's not rocket science.