The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Caroline R]

Head gun shots before the beating ?

In Sheila's case she must have been in a really psychotic state to continue beating someone after shooting them in the head & killing them. I thought Sheila & Neville had a good relationship ?

In Jeremy's case, he was/is a clever person & smooth operator. Can't see him losing it & beating a dead person. He would be much too focused on finishing off his plan. He will also know a beaten 6.4 man will not support the Sheila theory.

Errr, I think that's the point!! Do you know anything about paranoid schizophrenia? Also I doubt that in that kind of state she would be looking for vital signs!!

[Caroline R]

Head gun shots before the beating ?

In Sheila's case she must have been in a really psychotic state to continue beating someone after shooting them in the head & killing them. I thought Sheila & Neville had a good relationship ?

In Jeremy's case, he was/is a clever person & smooth operator. Can't see him losing it & beating a dead person. He would be much too focused on finishing off his plan. He will also know a beaten 6.4 man will not support the Sheila theory.

I don't understand the above (in bold), IF Neville was beaten and you don't think it was Sheila and Jeremy was "too clever" - who did it then?

[Adam]

I don't think the beating was carried out 'after the head gun shots'. Certainly not by Jeremy, but as you said I am not an expert on Sheila's illness.

[Alias]

Head gun shots before the beating ?

In Sheila's case she must have been in a really psychotic state to continue beating someone after shooting them in the head & killing them. I thought Sheila & Neville had a good relationship ?

In Jeremy's case, he was/is a clever person & smooth operator. Can't see him losing it & beating a dead person. He would be much too focused on finishing off his plan. He will also know a beaten 6.4 man will not support the Sheila theory.

Then why on earth did he need EIGHT shots to kill two sleeping six-year-olds if he was such a smooth operator?

[Adam]

Then why on earth did he need EIGHT shots to kill two sleeping six-year-olds if he was such a smooth operator?

To make it seem like the killer was not a 'smooth operator'.

[Caroline R]

To make it seem like the killer was not a 'smooth operator'.

You mean to make it look like it had been carried out by a paranoid schizophrenic? Hmmmmm?? Here's a theory; maybe it was actually carried out by a paranoid schizophrenic who had been behaving oddly since a party the previous weekend when she saw her ex husband (who she hoped to to rekindle a relationship with) with his girlfriend??

[Alias]

To make it seem like the killer was not a 'smooth operator'.

Could be, but not likely. Imagine you are there to carry out FIVE murders, do you really think you have time to stage manage the individual killings? Personally I don´t think so. The killings of the poor little boys was overkill - it was PERSONAL, not cold, calculated with the motive of getting rid of them for money.

[Adam]

You mean to make it look like it had been carried out by a paranoid schizophrenic? Hmmmmm?? Here's a theory; maybe it was actually carried out by a paranoid schizophrenic who had been behaving oddly since a party the previous weekend when she saw her ex husband (who she hoped to to rekindle a relationship with) with his girlfriend??

You could be right. Or you could be wrong !

[Jane]

To make it seem like the killer was not a 'smooth operator'.

Is it not strange that someone unpracticed in the art of killing could, at his first attempt, become a smooth enough operator, to give the appearance of NOT being a "smooth operator."

[Adam]

Could be, but not likely. Imagine you are there to carry out FIVE murders, do you really think you have time to stage manage the individual killings? Personally I don´t think so. The killings of the poor little boys was overkill - it was PERSONAL, not cold, calculated with the motive of getting rid of them for money.

There was not much stage managing was there ?

The twins & June were shot in bed. There was a big mess in the kitchen. Putting an open bible next to Sheila would not take long. Once everyone was dead Jeremy, if he was the killer would have had all the time he needed to do any stage managing.

If Jeremy could fire one shot into the twins, he could fire several shots. It would back up the 'shes a nutter' & 'gone crazy' quotes he gave the police later.

[grahameb]

If I knew the layout of the property I would head for the nearest door.

The police, relatives & juries view is that there were no phone calls from the house.

Jeremy crept upstairs & started shooting with a silencer/moderator attached. Everything had gone to plan with June, who was shot without resistance. However Neville woke up & got downstairs into the kitchen dispite being shot, either to escape or phone the police. He was not surprisingly caught up & beaten, perhaps because the gun was empty. Then fatally shot in the head with a reloaded gun.

Jeremy then returned upstairs & led a half asleep Sheila into the main bedroom & shot her. He panicked after realising she was still alive after the first shot & fired again.

When the twins were shot is neither here or there. Whether shot first or last, they did not wake up that night.

Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing to support all that. It remains at best just speculation in order to satisfy your own theory of what happened. We need facts and facts alone I'm afraid.

[grahameb]

Head gun shots before the beating ?

In Sheila's case she must have been in a really psychotic state to continue beating someone after shooting them in the head & killing them. I thought Sheila & Neville had a good relationship ?

In Jeremy's case, he was/is a clever person & smooth operator. Can't see him losing it & beating a dead person. He would be much too focused on finishing off his plan. He will also know a beaten 6.4 man will not support the Sheila theory.

So how else would you explain the lack of injuries to both Sheila and Jeremy consistent with a fight with someone?

[grahameb]

Errr, I think that's the point!! Do you know anything about paranoid schizophrenia? Also I doubt that in that kind of state she would be looking for vital signs!!

If my friend's son is anything to go by then schizophrenics appear to develop super strength in certain situations.

[grahameb]

To make it seem like the killer was not a 'smooth operator'.

Facts. Remember? We need facts to support such an accusation.

[grahameb]

You could be right. Or you could be wrong !

Ditto.