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Offline mike tesko

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It took 5 bullets to kill Ralph Bamber, and 6 additional rounds to kill June Bamber, making a total of 11 rounds...
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It took 5 bullets to kill Ralph Bamber, and 6 additional rounds to kill June Bamber, making a total of 11 rounds...

The weapon in question (anshulz semi-automatic rifle) could hold 11 rounds, 10 in the ammunition magazine, and a further solitary round in the breach of the gun...
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How was it possible for any would be killer, to control three adults (Ralph, June and Sheila) before the need for the shooter to reload the same gun with additional ammunition, after firing the first 11 rounds?
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 10:16:PM by mike tesko »
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How was it possible for any would be killer, to control three adults (Ralph, June and Sheila) before the need for the shooter to reload the same gun with additional ammunition, after firing the first 11 rounds?
That is an excellent point Mike.  The question of where Sheila was while June and Neville were killed never mind the twins has always been a stumbling block, however if Sheila shot and killed Nevill and June before reloading it is an answer to that question imo

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How was it possible for any would be killer, to control three adults (Ralph, June and Sheila) before the need for the shooter to reload the same gun with additional ammunition, after firing the first 11 rounds?
Surprise  and distraction and even luck are  possible mike.

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That is an excellent point Mike.  The question of where Sheila was while June and Neville were killed never mind the twins has always been a stumbling block, however if Sheila shot and killed Nevill and June before reloading it is an answer to that question imo

Yes, the parents were shot and killed first, and Sheila walked in their blood on the kitchen floor, and the bedroom floor, hence why police denied that Sheila had any blood upon the soles of her feet, when all along she did have...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 11:08:PM by mike tesko »
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It took the police 26 years to release this photograph which confirms that the soles of Sheila's feet were heavily bloodstained, rather than be spotlessly clean or blood free...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 11:13:PM by mike tesko »
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It took the police 26 years to release this photograph which confirms that the soles of Sheila's feet were heavily bloodstained, rather than be spotlessly clean or blood free...

However, who's blood was present upon the soles of Sheila's feet, was it her fathers blood, her mothers blood, or her own blood?
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Lets try to put things into perspective, Prosecutions case was that Sheila died immediately upon being shot and killed, and that there was no opportunity for her to walk around after she had been shot - so, on that basis, the blood on the sole of her feet could not have been her own blood, it had to be the blood of dad, or mum, downstairs in the kitchen, and or, upstairs in the main bedroom...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 11:20:PM by mike tesko »
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Lets try to put things into perspective, Prosecutions case was that Sheila died immediately upon being shot and killed, and that there was no opportunity for her to walk around after she had been shot - so, on that basis, the blood on the sole of her feet could not have been her own blood, it had to be the blood of dad, or mum, downstairs in the kitchen, and or, upstairs in the main bedroom...

or, blood from dad and mom, in both locations...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 11:23:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: June and Ralph, killed first - gun, then empty of bullets / rounds...
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 11:29:PM »
Various police officers, involved in the investigation of this case, made false witness statements saying that Sheila's feet were spotlessly clean and blood free...

They lied...

The lot of them lied through the skin of their teeth, because we all now know that the soles of Sheila Caffells feet, were heavily bloodstained, and that she walked in all that blood whilst it was still fresh and wet...
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Re: June and Ralph, killed first - gun, then empty of bullets / rounds...
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 11:34:PM »
Various police officers, involved in the investigation of this case, made false witness statements saying that Sheila's feet were spotlessly clean and blood free...

They lied...

The lot of them lied through the skin of their teeth, because we all now know that the soles of Sheila Caffells feet, were heavily bloodstained, and that she walked in all that blood whilst it was still fresh and wet...

We also now know, that if Sheila had not been the shooter / killer, that because she was walking around in the blood from one or other of her parents, or both, that before any other would be killer reloaded the gun, that she had ample opportunity to raise the alarm, or even escape the crime scene, but for some reason she didn't...

She didn't, because she herself was the shooter of both parents...
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Re: June and Ralph, killed first - gun, then empty of bullets / rounds...
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 11:40:PM »
If police officers were prepared to lie about the state of Sheila's feet being bloodstained or not, what are the chances of them telling the truth as to whether or not her hands were bloodstain free, and absent of lead deposit from handling additional bullets...
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Re: June and Ralph, killed first - gun, then empty of bullets / rounds...
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 11:45:PM »
So, Sheila is moving around and treading on wet blood from both parents in different parts of the house, or alternatively, standing in her own blood after the initial non fatal shot across the throat has been inflicted - yet she does not try to raise the alarm, or try to escape...
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Re: June and Ralph, killed first - gun, then empty of bullets / rounds...
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2013, 02:06:AM »
The weapon in question (anshulz semi-automatic rifle) could hold 11 rounds, 10 in the ammunition magazine, and a further solitary round in the breach of the gun...

The idea that we think that the children must have been shot first is an example of guilter propaganda. They prefer that interpretation because it gives rise to the problem of Sheila needing to reload before Nevill and June had been incapacitated.

The intention is to make the defence’s position appear implausible by adjusting the narrative to serve the prosecution. Prosecuting lawyers use that technique almost habitually. At Bambers trial they did it a lot and got away with it.

Similarly, the guilters say that it’s ridiculous that Nevill would have phoned Jeremy, because the injury to his jaw would have made it impossible for him to speak. Of  course, if he did phone, it would have been before anybody had been shot.

Again, the fact that there was no blood on the phone is supposed to prove that Nevill never did make a call.

Yet they say that Nevill would have been far too strong for Sheila to overpower, because he was so much bigger and because he was a farmer.

So, it would appear that, although Nevill would have been too badly injured even to have made a phone call, he nevertheless would  have found it easy to have taken the gun from Sheila.

I agree that Nevill and June would have been shot first, while the children were still sleeping. This not only makes sense from the point of view of an assailant that wasn’t completely stupid, but also from the nature of the wounds inflicted. The controlled shots to the head would have occurred last, where all the victims are concerned. It’s possible that Sheila returned to Nevill and June to fire more shots after she had killed the boys. The most accurate shots must have occurred last.

You are right, Sheila would have had all the time in the world to reload.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 02:26:AM by Martin »