Question Re 'Firearms Team Are In Conversation'

[Patti]

I think everyone was aware that guns had been used they all had a briefing before hand regarding sister gone beserk with a gun so all the raid team had been informed.

Hi Ralf Yes they were told about Sheila but none of them mention anything about other guns being loaded except for Jeremy's rifle which they say was partly loaded. 

You would think that something as important as this, they would have mentioned it in their own statements...

Of course at this point no one knew that anyone had been killed.....but I suppose after getting no response from inside that they thought it was more likely that everyone was dead or being held hostage.   

[guest7363]

I'm certain that the raid team were called out due to there being weapons in the house and the fact that Jeremy had told then that he had received a call from his father saying that Sheila has got the gun and is going beserk....

But the calling of more man power was due to the size of the farmhouse, because Adam's after his evaluation had decided he did not have enough men to cover. Adam's states that quite clearly.

Why do you think Adam's said that?

I tend to look for the bigger picture and noted that Jeremy had told Adams that as far as he knew the bolts had been removed and the weapons locked up.  After Jeremy said that he went on to tell Adams that he thought they may be loaded.  Adams was concerned for the safety of his men and after he made his evaluation on the situation he realised he had not enough men due to the size of the farm house.

This is how I see it.....But, looking at the bigger picture none of the other raid team says that they were told that there were loaded weapons inside; only that rifle 18 were partly loaded.  I'm not twisting it, just repeating what I have read so far.   

Patti his august statement is an add on to his sept statement dont you think? it states further to my august statement?

[Patti]

Patti his august statement is an add on to his sept statement dont you think? it states further to my august statement?

Yes his September statement is an add on to the one he made in August.....but he does say the reason he called for more men was because of the size of the farm and not because there were loaded weapons.

I do agree that this is why they were called out initially....I can't argue that point..

Just heard thunder its coming your way lol 

[No-Bits]

I'm certain that the raid team were called out due to there being weapons in the house and the fact that Jeremy had told then that he had received a call from his father saying that Sheila has got the gun and is going beserk....

But the calling of more man power was due to the size of the farmhouse, because Adam's after his evaluation had decided he did not have enough men to cover. Adam's states that quite clearly.

Why do you think Adam's said that?

I tend to look for the bigger picture and noted that Jeremy had told Adams that as far as he knew the bolts had been removed and the weapons locked up.  After Jeremy said that he went on to tell Adams that he thought they may be loaded.  Adams was concerned for the safety of his men and after he made his evaluation on the situation he realised he had not enough men due to the size of the farm house.

This is how I see it.....But, looking at the bigger picture none of the other raid team says that they were told that there were loaded weapons inside; only that rifle 18 were partly loaded.  I'm not twisting it, just repeating what I have read so far.   

Are you suggesting that Jeremy didn't say that he left a loaded rifle out and that the house contained many other loaded firearms? Adams made it up? 

[No-Bits]

I'm certain that the raid team were called out due to there being weapons in the house and the fact that Jeremy had told then that he had received a call from his father saying that Sheila has got the gun and is going beserk....

But the calling of more man power was due to the size of the farmhouse, because Adam's after his evaluation had decided he did not have enough men to cover. Adam's states that quite clearly.

Why do you think Adam's said that?

I tend to look for the bigger picture and noted that Jeremy had told Adams that as far as he knew the bolts had been removed and the weapons locked up.  After Jeremy said that he went on to tell Adams that he thought they may be loaded.  Adams was concerned for the safety of his men and after he made his evaluation on the situation he realised he had not enough men due to the size of the farm house.

This is how I see it.....But, looking at the bigger picture none of the other raid team says that they were told that there were loaded weapons inside; only that rifle 18 were partly loaded.  I'm not twisting it, just repeating what I have read so far.   

Hang about, no he didn't, he said nothing of the kind. 

[Patti]

Are you suggesting that Jeremy didn't say that he left a loaded rifle out and that the house contained many other loaded firearms? Adams made it up? 

No I'm not suggesting anything. I am merely making a point of what the other members of the raid team have said in their statements and that is that only Delgardo mentions loaded weapons and the rest don't....You would have thought that this was an important point to point out in their statements, but they don't mention it when they were briefed by Adam's. 

It is only Adam's that has mentioned what Jeremy had told him, but Adam's did not find it important enough to mention it in his briefing to his team.....Why?

Hartley you have to except what the rest of the raid team said as well. Its unfair to not too.  I take it that you aren't a Libra....lol 

[No-Bits]

Hang about, no he didn't, he said nothing of the kind. 

JB meant that if the weapons were looked after and stored correctly, then his answer to Adams questions should be that bolts were removed and weapons locked up, but JB said that sadly that was not the case and several weapons were loaded and accessible.

I fear you have made a cock up Patti. 

[Patti]

Hang about, no he didn't, he said nothing of the kind. 

You are making me work....

[No-Bits]

No I'm not suggesting anything. I am merely making a point of what the other members of the raid team have said in their statements and that is that only Delgardo mentions loaded weapons and the rest don't....You would have thought that this was an important point to point out in their statements, but they don't mention it when they were briefed by Adam's. 

It is only Adam's that has mentioned what Jeremy had told him, but Adam's did not find it important enough to mention it in his briefing to his team.....Why?

Hartley you have to except what the rest of the raid team said as well. Its unfair to not too.  I take it that you aren't a Libra....lol 

That's not the case Patti, the statements were made for the purpose of submitting to the CPS, the various officers did not witness JB telling Adams about loaded firearms, so they did not record it, Adams did, and he did record it.

Given Adams concerns over the safety of other officers, it is inconceivable that the information regarding the potential pressence of loaded weapons, didn't make it's way members of the raid team.

[No-Bits]

You are making me work....

As I said, you have made a cock up dear. 

[Patti]

JB meant that if the weapons were looked after and stored correctly, then his answer to Adams questions should be that bolts were removed and weapons locked up, but JB said that sadly that was not the case and several weapons were loaded and accessible.

I fear you have made a cock up Patti. 

It depends how you read it I suppose.  The fact is that Adams sates clearly that more men were called due to the size of the house and he did not say it was because of loaded weapons inside the house and that is the point I am making....You cannot disagree with that or do you lol 

[Patti]

As I said, you have made a cock up dear. 

No I haven't.....Any roads I like cock ups....Right I am off for something to eat. You do wear me down at times. How many times have you been up the garden path today?? Ha! 

[No-Bits]

It depends how you read it I suppose.  The fact is that Adams sates clearly that more men were called due to the size of the house and he did not say it was because of loaded weapons inside the house and that is the point I am making....You cannot disagree with that or do you lol 

You are trying to argue a point that I haven't and am not making.

Why has Jeremy told the police that there are loaded and accessible weapons present inside WHF when that was clearly not the case? He even changed his story regarding the Anshutz, saying he left it out loaded, but later said that he removed the magazine and emptied the breach.

[No-Bits]

No I haven't.....Any roads I like cock ups....Right I am off for something to eat. You do wear me down at times. How many times have you been up the garden path today?? Ha! 

Rubbish dear, you think that JB has told the police that firearms had their bolts removed and were locked away. That is not the case, you have misinterpreted the wording of the statement.

[Patti]

You are trying to argue a point that I haven't and am not making.

Why has Jeremy told the police that there are loaded and accessible weapons present inside WHF when that was clearly not the case? He even changed his story regarding the Anshutz, saying he left it out loaded, but later said that he removed the magazine and emptied the breach.

And I am telling you that you only have Adam's account that Jeremy said this and none of the other raid team are saying that they were informed by Adam's that loaded weapons were inside the farm house. Or maybe Adam's did not find it important enough to inform his team??? Dear! lol