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Re: Does Jones slip here??????
« Reply #135 on: October 06, 2013, 12:27:AM »
So that police officer who said he did it on a bike in 6 minutes was telling porkies after all. We can't have it both ways can we. If Bamber rode at speed along the see wall to get home to call the police to make it seem as if he was at home at the time of the murders. Them you've just proved that it was not possible to do so?

I haven't seen that, but trust me when I say it would be absolutely impossible to make the journey in 6 minutes on a push bike (by any route).

Might you have misread? :-\
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Re: Does Jones slip here??????
« Reply #136 on: October 06, 2013, 01:02:AM »
I haven't seen that, but trust me when I say it would be absolutely impossible to make the journey in 6 minutes on a push bike (by any route).

Might you have misread? :-\
Well this is what Stve-uk said:
Quote from: Steve-uk
We could argue about the bike ride until the cows came home,but DI Wilkinson claimed to have cycled one of three possible routes in six minutes,so it's theoretically possible to do it without being observed.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2013, 01:02:AM by Grahame »

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« Reply #137 on: October 06, 2013, 01:15:AM »
Well this is what Stve-uk said:

Consider the source.



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Re: Does Jones slip here??????
« Reply #138 on: October 06, 2013, 02:35:AM »
I haven't seen that, but trust me when I say it would be absolutely impossible to make the journey in 6 minutes on a push bike (by any route).

Might you have misread? :-\

How long (approximately) would it take?

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« Reply #139 on: October 06, 2013, 07:35:AM »
How long (approximately) would it take?

Just an esitimate, but by road I would say at least 20 minutes.
By cross country/sea wall, about 30-45 minutes.

Depending on the bike and fitness of the rider.

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« Reply #140 on: October 06, 2013, 08:07:AM »
Morning No-Bits

think when steve-uk said the journey could be completed in 6 mins he meant on a motor bike not a push bike ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #141 on: October 06, 2013, 09:17:AM »
Just an esitimate, but by road I would say at least 20 minutes.
By cross country/sea wall, about 30-45 minutes.

Depending on the bike and fitness of the rider.



No-Bits, CONGRATULATIONS :) I think this is the first time I've seen that realistic time scale mentioned. So it now appears we must add AT LEAST another hour into our considerations of the timings of the crime.

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« Reply #142 on: October 06, 2013, 09:41:AM »
Consider the source.
DI Wilkinson. Is he renowned for lying? Surely not? He's a police officer and as you know they never lie. ::)

just corrected a couple of spelling mistakes. ;D
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« Reply #143 on: October 06, 2013, 09:43:AM »
Just an esitimate, but by road I would say at least 20 minutes.
By cross country/sea wall, about 30-45 minutes.

Depending on the bike and fitness of the rider.
I can do it in 10 minutes from Bamber's house to the entrance of Pages Lane, I admit I've never driven down to the farm house because believe it or not I think people deserve their privacy.

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« Reply #144 on: October 06, 2013, 09:47:AM »
DI Wilkinson. Is he renouned for lying? Suely not? He's a police officer and as you know they never lie. ::)






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« Reply #145 on: October 06, 2013, 09:48:AM »
Here is a video of the journey. It is timed at around 7 minutes odd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJWOymoAlaU

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« Reply #146 on: October 06, 2013, 10:27:AM »
“With the aid of these maps I measured the distance, using a pedometer, from White House Farm to 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, via the farm track and sea wall.  This route measured 6,978 metres and at a brisk walk took 70 minutes to complete. I subsequently cycled this route in 35 minutes.
 
I then measured the distance, using a pedometer, from 9 Head Street, Goldhanger to Brook House Farm track at its junction with Maldon Road via Church Street and the B1026.  This route measured 2895 metres and at a brisk walk took 28 minutes to complete.  I subsequently cycled this route in 10 minutes.
 

I then measured the distance, using a pedometer, from Brook House Farm Track at its junction with Maldon Road to White House Farm via B1026 and B1023.  This route measured 3290 metres and at a brisk walk took 30 minutes to complete. I subsequently cycled this route in 12 minutes.
 
I then measured the distance, with a pedometer, from White House Farm to Maldon Road via Brook House Farm track.  This route measured 1629 metres and at a brisk walk took 17 minutes to complete.  This track is well maintained, clearly defined, and easily negotiable by foot, cycle or motor vehicle. I subsequently cycled this route in 6 minutes.
 
There are footpaths marked on the Ordnance Survey map which seem to link White House Farm and Goldhanger in a direct manner via Joyces Farm and Lauriston Farm.  However I have attempted to negotiate these footpaths but without success.  The paths go directly across ploughed fields or
cultivated crops or peter out on the banks of small streams and irrigation canals.
 
In my opinion the shortest practicable route between White House Farm and Goldhanger without using main roads is via the sea wall. However, the shortest and quickest practicable route between White House Farm and Goldhanger by foot, cycle or motor vehicle is by using Brook House Farm track and the B1026.  This route is 1661 metres less than going through Tolleshunt D'Arcy.”

The routes detailed here mostly involve going on a road, and yet no one saw anything. The footpaths away from the road were not negotiable. The sea wall is a narrow route with a drop into water on one side. Is it realistic to believe that Jeremy Bamber mounted a ladies bicycle and cycled across routes that were partly overgrown and he did all this in the pitch black in a matter of minutes?

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« Reply #147 on: October 06, 2013, 12:14:PM »
Hi Patti

Thanks for all this info.  I will have to spend time reading it in detail and refer to a map.

I did read somewhere, Wilkes I think, Steve_uk will confirm, that JB might have borrowed Susan Battersby's boyfriend's (Mark Sheldon) roller skates.  The theory goes that coupled with the wetsuit, Marigolds and balaclava this gave JB an aero dynamic edge to complete the route in record time along the road and avoid detection.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4575.0;attach=33653

I believe the skates were of the inline variety.  This enabled him to negotiate the bends Grahame has referred to at breathtaking speeds:

http://0.tqn.com/d/inlineskating/1/G/k/D/-/-/apolo_ohno1.jpg
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Re: Does Jones slip here??????
« Reply #148 on: October 06, 2013, 12:53:PM »
Hi Patti

Thanks for all this info.  I will have to spend time reading it in detail and refer to a map.

I did read somewhere, Wilkes I think, Steve_uk will confirm, that JB might have borrowed Susan Battersby's boyfriend's (Mark Sheldon) roller skates.  The theory goes that coupled with the wetsuit, Marigolds and balaclava this gave JB an aero dynamic edge to complete the route in record time along the road and avoid detection.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4575.0;attach=33653

I believe the skates were of the inline variety.  This enabled him to negotiate the bends Grahame has referred to at breathtaking speeds:

http://0.tqn.com/d/inlineskating/1/G/k/D/-/-/apolo_ohno1.jpg



NaNu HI :) Wouldn't Jeremy have been breaking the law by travelling at high speeds on the roads, at night, without lights. It may also be worthy looking for where/how many months he may have practiced this mode of transport in order to gain enough proficiency to travel the Essex roads. ;) I'm certain Steve could help with this.

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« Reply #149 on: October 06, 2013, 01:24:PM »


NaNu HI :) Wouldn't Jeremy have been breaking the law by travelling at high speeds on the roads, at night, without lights. It may also be worthy looking for where/how many months he may have practiced this mode of transport in order to gain enough proficiency to travel the Essex roads. ;) I'm certain Steve could help with this.

Hi April

Yes Steve_uk will know for sure.  I believe JB used a night running lamp:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jAGKX28IBbo/UFAO-r_r4ZI/AAAAAAAACvc/6kG6if4TVWE/s1600/IMG_0539.JPG

This took some aero dynamic edge off and enabled him to remain within speed limits.  I believe he wore the blades in Sloppy Joes whilst waiting and mastered the technique there.  He became proficient in speed by chasing rats around WHF yard.