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Caroline R

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« Reply #90 on: August 08, 2013, 09:47:PM »
It was one piece Pamela wanted as a keepsake. The rest was taken for safe keeping as the place was uninhabited.

A keep sake from 'Neville's' mother? Huh? She wanted June's engagement ring as a keepsake not the jewellery from Neville's mother!!

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« Reply #91 on: August 08, 2013, 09:49:PM »
A keep sake from 'Neville's' mother? Huh? She wanted June's engagement ring as a keepsake not the jewellery from Neville's mother!!
Yes I misread it sorry.

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« Reply #92 on: August 08, 2013, 09:52:PM »
Congratulations Steve, at last a 'truism' in your post#79 :- "Ann Eaton would not have expected any inheritance whatsoever"
So why did she feel it necessary to take copious notes of everything he said and did, in order to blacken Jeremy's name, in the process of 'stitching him up', to use Lookout's wisecrack?

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« Reply #93 on: August 08, 2013, 09:53:PM »
Congratulations Steve, at last a 'truism' in your post#79 :- "Ann Eaton would not have expected any inheritance whatsoever"
So why did she feel it necessary to take copious notes of everything he said and did, in order to blacken Jeremy's name, in the process of 'stitching him up', to use Lookout's wisecrack?
Well sometimes it keeps you busy in a crisis..I don't really see the relevance.

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« Reply #94 on: August 08, 2013, 09:58:PM »
Congratulations Steve, at last a 'truism' in your post#79 :- "Ann Eaton would not have expected any inheritance whatsoever"
So why did she feel it necessary to take copious notes of everything he said and did, in order to blacken Jeremy's name, in the process of 'stitching him up', to use Lookout's wisecrack?

I'd like to go back to the note taking Campion.  Because on the 7th she clearly states she was busy in the kitchen making tea and she tells us that her brother and Julie go out shopping for food and that people were coming and going.  Yet, we are to believe that what she wrote on her notes to be of value, but, how can anyone who claimed to have been that busy take her notes as gospel.. Surely it was impossible to have recorded such notes in fine detail as claimed.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #95 on: August 08, 2013, 09:58:PM »
It was one piece Pamela wanted as a keepsake. The rest was taken for safekeeping as the place was uninhabited.

I had a relative die, I also asked for a keepsake to remember her by. I chose a coffee cup.... with a little dent in it.
It is a lot to ask for a valuable ring when you are not the closest relative!

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« Reply #96 on: August 08, 2013, 10:03:PM »
I had a relative die, I also asked for a keepsake to remember her by. I chose a coffee cup.... with a little dent in it.
It is a lot to ask for a valuable ring when you are not the closest relative!

Hi Alias

I think its damn right cheeky to ask for anything, normally you wait to be asked if you would like a keepsake.  Like yourself I chose something of a lesser value from my grandmothers home although I had the first pick and was the first to asked if I wanted anything.  I felt I couldn't take anything and was put in an awkward position when I was asked...I took a photo in a frame of my grandmother and my grandfather behind the bar at their pub in Rotherham...

At the end of the day no one should have taken anything from the house, it was not their's to take.  All what was in there belonged to Jeremy..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #97 on: August 08, 2013, 10:08:PM »
Hi Alias

I think its damn right cheeky to ask for anything, normally you wait to be asked if you would like a keepsake.  Like yourself I chose something of a lesser value from my grandmothers home although I had the first pick and was the first to asked if I wanted anything.  I felt I couldn't take anything and was put in an awkward position when I was asked...I took a photo in a frame of my grandmother and my grandfather behind the bar at their pub in Rotherham...

At the end of the day no one should have taken anything from the house, it was not their to take.  All what was in there belonged to Jeremy..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Exactly!! It's all 'Mr Cock told us to' if he was there, why didn't he take possession of the items? They should have been taken to Jeremy's house, not shoved in wardrobes and attics!! 

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« Reply #98 on: August 08, 2013, 10:25:PM »
Exactly!! It's all 'Mr Cock told us to' if he was there, why didn't he take possession of the items? They should have been taken to Jeremy's house, not shoved in wardrobes and attics!!

I wonder if Mr Cock was asked about what he told them to take? Did he not face some sort of charge about the estate later on? Something to do with his bookkeeping?  I's sure something was brought up about him somewhere.  :-\ ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #99 on: August 08, 2013, 10:33:PM »
I wonder if Mr Cock was asked about what he told them to take? Did he not face some sort of charge about the estate later on? Something to do with his bookkeeping?  I's sure something was brought up about him somewhere.  :-\ ;D ;D ;D

I'm not sure. But reading AE's statement(s) and RB's much is made of Jeremy contacting Southerby's to sell various items, but they have jewellery bagged and boxed off just days after the murders without Jeremy's permission. I don't get that??

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« Reply #100 on: August 08, 2013, 10:37:PM »
I'm not sure. But reading AE's statement(s) and RB's much is made of Jeremy contacting Southerby's to sell various items, but they have jewellery bagged and boxed off just days after the murders without Jeremy's permission. I don't get that??

I have always wondered about that - and perhaps it is because they never considered him "one of them".  Awful if that is the case.

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« Reply #101 on: August 08, 2013, 10:39:PM »
I'm not sure. But reading AE's statement(s) and RB's much is made of Jeremy contacting Southerby's to sell various items, but they have jewellery bagged and boxed off just days after the murders without Jeremy's permission. I don't get that??
But they didn't sell it. Jeremy had noted everything of worth with Brett's help..even family heirlooms weren't sacrosanct. The Jeremy supporters must realize what a grubby little episode this affair was at the Maida Vale flat at this stage.

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« Reply #102 on: August 08, 2013, 10:48:PM »
But they didn't sell it. Jeremy had noted everything of worth with Brett's help..even family heirlooms weren't sacrosanct. The Jeremy supporters must realize what a grubby little episode this affair was at the Maida Vale flat at this stage.

They were his to do with as he pleased!! Nothing should have been removed from WHF without his permission!!

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« Reply #103 on: August 08, 2013, 11:09:PM »
I have always wondered about that - and perhaps it is because they never considered him "one of them".  Awful if that is the case.
Of course the problem often is that adopted children are loved very much by their adopted parents but other relatives just cannot understand why people adopt. 

There are plenty of childless people who would never consider adoption as an option because they cannot comprehend the concept.  I think there are more males than females who feel they only want children with their own genes.  So it's hardly surprising that relatives, who have produced their own children and have never suffered the emptiness of childlessness and maybe lack imagination, may not whole heartedly embrace an outsider as the next heir to the throne. 

I can imagine them watching askance as Jeremy and Sheila, both undeniably good looking and glamorous seeming to do exactly what they wanted, taking money from their parents left, right and centre.  I would argue that although there were personality clashes Sheila and Jeremy were in many ways doted on by their parents. 

It was certainly a very different situation than the genetic children of Robert and Pamela Boutflour who were expected to toe the line and do as they were told at all times by their dominating, controlling father. 

I'm quite sure that branch of the family just didn't understand the Bambers and their children ie. the reasons for having them and the reasons for allowing them to live such chaotic lives.

From this perspective, Sheila and Jeremy would never have been 'one of us' . imo
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« Reply #104 on: August 08, 2013, 11:20:PM »
Of course the problem often is that adopted children are loved very much by their adopted parents but other relatives just cannot understand why people adopt. 

There are plenty of childless people who would never consider adoption as an option because they cannot comprehend the concept.  I think there are more males than females who feel they only want children with their own genes.  So it's hardly surprising that relatives, who have produced their own children and have never suffered the emptiness of childlessness but maybe lack imagination, may not whole heartedly embrace an outsider as the next heir to the throne. 

I can imagine them watching askance as Jeremy and Sheila, both undeniably good looking and glamorous seeming to do exactly what they wanted, taking money from their parents left, right and centre.  I would argue that although there were personality clashes Sheila and Jeremy were in many ways doted on by their parents. 

It was certainly a very different situation than the genetic children of Robert and Pamela Boutflour who were expected to toe the line and do as they were told at all times by their dominating, controlling father. 

I'm quite sure that branch of the family just didn't understand the Bambers and their children ie. the reasons for having them and the reasons for allowing them to live such chaotic lives.

From this perspective, Sheila and Jeremy would never have been 'one of us' . imo
There is some truth in that,but Sheila charred for Ann and I don't think there was any intentional hierarchy:June and Nevill were busy people who neglected their children by default,who lived separate lives through attending public school. June tried to see the best in people,and realizing that she may have made mistakes wrote that heartfelt letter which Jeremy stuffed into the glove compartment of his car,telling Julie "I'm glad she's dead",but "I do miss the old man occasionally". Jeremy's actions were social Darwinism at their most brutal,and I do wonder if he could have had a lasting relationship with anyone before promiscuity intervened and drove people away from him.
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