ECHR ..... now - Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'

[Caroline R]

You can't catch schizophrenia from someone sneezing on you. Nevill and June may have made mistakes as he busied himself with the farm and June with the wider community but it wasn't their fault how their children turned out.

You can't catch schizophrenia at all!! No parents are prefect but no one can say for sure how or why Sheila developed mental health problem but June's rather puritanical view points certainly wouldn't have helped!!

[nugnug]

all those spliffs wouldent of helped ethere.

though i think the ilness is partly genitic it could well nobodys fault.

[killingeve]

You can't catch schizophrenia from someone sneezing on you. Nevill and June may have made mistakes as he busied himself with the farm and June with the wider community but it wasn't their fault how their children turned out.

You can't catch schizophrenia from someone sneezing on you. Nevill and June may have made mistakes as he busied himself with the farm and June with the wider community but it wasn't their fault how their children turned out.

Likewise it wasn't the fault of the adopted children that they were adopted by a mentally ill woman.  And IMO there shld be a full investigation as to why June was considered a suitable adoptive mother for JB having already suffered from severe depression requiring ect and in-patient psychiatric care as a result of her decision to adopt her first child ie SC causing untold psychological and emotional damage as evidenced throughout SC's life.  Never mind June's good works within the wider community as you often state charity starts at home.

[lookout]

I must confess that June wasn't exactly mentally sound when she adopted Sheila,,after suffering from what would have been a mental trauma when she realised that she couldn't ever bear her own children.
Also latterly,June was feeling the strain of Sheilas' advanced illness as well as the worry for the future welfare of the twins.
Sadly,,I still say that these two women fought to the finish.

[Jane]

I think there was a lot of goodwill from Nevill with him not being the natural father and I don't see Jeremy had any cause for complaint as was the case with David Bain and his father.

I have a sneaky suspicion that Steve believes adopted children should show gratitude for being adopted. This isn't the first time Steve has referred to "Nevill's goodwill" towards Jeremy. Steve, before you are too quick to judge how another person feels OR whether or not they have "any cause for complaint" I suggest you stand for a while in their shoes first.

[Steve_uk]

I can't for the life of me think of any reason why Nevill was killed other than for Jeremy's greed for money. I'm against the death penalty anyway which is what Jeremy imposed arbitrarily on his five victims.

[Jane]

I can't for the life of me think of any reason why Nevill was killed other than for Jeremy's greed for money. I'm against the death penalty anyway which is what Jeremy imposed arbitrarily on his five victims.

I'm sure you can't, but then insight into the complexities of human nature isn't one of your strong points, is it Steve?

[Steve_uk]

I'm sure you can't, but then insight into the complexities of human nature isn't one of your strong points, is it Steve?

Actually the mentally ill follow a trajectory which is not particularly complex,which is why I believe Jeremy to be a mass murderer and not his sister,and why I take a different view on this thread than the majority;namely that it's a bit rich for Jeremy to be discussing the breaching of his human rights when he has deprived five others of the most basic human right of all-the right to life.

[Alias]

And so there should have been.  As part of an infertile couple he was lucky enough to adopt two beautiful and healthy new born babies.  The obvious question is what the hell went wrong?  The adopted daughter suffers mental illness and the adopted son ends up suffering the UK's worst ever MoJ for murdering his immediate adoptive family.  Oh yeah and didn't the adoptive mother suffer from mental illness too???!!!

Well, no matter how you twist and turn this case, that is remarkable and stands out big time.
I have heard that June and Ralph were very strict parents - and I have often wondered, HOW strict were they? Parents can be reasonably strict - or they can be unreasonably so and damage their children for life.

[nugnug]

its impossble to gues what went on bettween the lot of them.

[killingeve]

I can't for the life of me think of any reason why Nevill was killed other than for Jeremy's greed for money. I'm against the death penalty anyway which is what Jeremy imposed arbitrarily on his five victims.

Morning Steve_uk

May I suggest that it's due to a lack of understanding of the following:

- Attachment disorders (start of SC's life)

- The psychology of 'closed' adoptions

- Adoption reunions (end of SC's life)

In addition to the above we have Dr F on record as saying that had NB given any support for the idea of the twins being fostered this could have changed SC's perception of NB from secure mentor to hostile figure.  We know foster care of the twins was mooted as per June's tel con with Mrs Brencher (CC's mother) only weeks prior to the murders (confirmed in Mrs Brencher's wit stat).

There's no evidence JB was greedy.  Millions of people the world over are greedy and are due to inherit but few murder to fast forward the inheritance.  Those that initially chose to believe JB guilty ie JB's extended adoptive family, and were highly successful in convincing others, did so motivated by greed and a belief that JB was capable of this due to the fact that he was the adopted in terms of something being inherently wrong with him (RB's labelling "The Bastard") and that he couldn't give two hoots about his immediate adoptive family.

[campion]

Hear Hear NaNu, Let's have ajar of Trappist Adam's Ale on this. It is somewhat obvious that Steve UK does not give 2 hoots concerning JB's incarceration. I am awaiting, in trepidation for his anguished 'owls of dissent.

[Lugg]

I can't for the life of me think of any reason why Nevill was killed other than for Jeremy's greed for money. I'm against the death penalty anyway which is what Jeremy imposed arbitrarily on his five victims.

Perhaps if you take those blinkers off you might see past your own prejudice?

[Jane]

Lugg, the FIRST one being, and I CAN only judge from the wording of his posts here, the belief that adopted children aren't as equal as others. I can only pray that he doesn't have to come into contact with adopted children in his "real" world. His attitute, in which, sadly, he's not alone, is damaging to a child's sense of self.

[killingeve]

Morning Steve_uk

May I suggest that it's due to a lack of understanding of the following:

- Attachment disorders (start of SC's life)

- The psychology of 'closed' adoptions

- Adoption reunions (end of SC's life)

In addition to the above we have Dr F on record as saying that had NB given any support for the idea of the twins being fostered this could have changed SC's perception of NB from secure mentor to hostile figure.  We know foster care of the twins was mooted as per June's tel con with Mrs Brencher (CC's mother) only weeks prior to the murders (confirmed in Mrs Brencher's wit stat).

There's no evidence JB was greedy.  Millions of people the world over are greedy and are due to inherit but few murder to fast forward the inheritance.  Those that initially chose to believe JB guilty ie JB's extended adoptive family, and were highly successful in convincing others, did so motivated by greed and a belief that JB was capable of this due to the fact that he was the adopted in terms of something being inherently wrong with him (RB's labelling "The Bastard") and that he couldn't give two hoots about his immediate adoptive family.

Morning NN

How are you today? 

Just found this re female adoptees brought up in a closed adoption.  I haven't read it yet.  Sounds a bit heavy.  Think you might like a Trappist beer with it.

http://www.transpersonalstudies.org/ImagesRepository/ijts/Downloads/Topfer.pdf