ECHR ..... now - Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'

[susan]

Nickos my love we can have lots of fun you trying

[killingeve]

Susan x, Well the majority of the jury thought JB guilty. Can I sway you with this majority!!?      

Hi Nickos

The majority are swayed in all MoJ's  .  Two were savvy enough to see there was enough reasonable doubt despite the judge's bias and/or ignorance in his summing up 

In JB's case easy peezy to achieve a majority verdict when the judge led the jury to believe that SC's blood was in the silencer.

[susan]

N/N great post to my beloved exactly what I thought but I hate to hurt his feelings and prefer him to woo me please don't try to steal him from me

[killingeve]

N/N great post to my beloved exactly what I thought but I hate to hurt his feelings and prefer him to woo me please don't try to steal him from me

Hi Susan

I think Nickos is pretty smitten with you; I wouldn't want to interfere with a love thing 

[Caroline R]

Hi Nickos

The majority are swayed in all MoJ's  .  Two were savvy enough to see there was enough reasonable doubt despite the judge's bias and/or ignorance in his summing up 

In JB's case easy peezy to achieve a majority verdict when the judge led the jury to believe that SC's blood was in the silencer.

Well said NN - completely agree!!

[Lugg]

Susan x, Well the majority of the jury thought JB guilty. Can I sway you with this majority!!?      

Well that I suppose reflects the common population. Most are idiots and you only find a few who are right?

[Steve_uk]

Morning Steve_uk

May I suggest that it's due to a lack of understanding of the following:

- Attachment disorders (start of SC's life)

- The psychology of 'closed' adoptions

- Adoption reunions (end of SC's life)

In addition to the above we have Dr F on record as saying that had NB given any support for the idea of the twins being fostered this could have changed SC's perception of NB from secure mentor to hostile figure.  We know foster care of the twins was mooted as per June's tel con with Mrs Brencher (CC's mother) only weeks prior to the murders (confirmed in Mrs Brencher's wit stat).

There's no evidence JB was greedy.  Millions of people the world over are greedy and are due to inherit but few murder to fast forward the inheritance.  Those that initially chose to believe JB guilty ie JB's extended adoptive family, and were highly successful in convincing others, did so motivated by greed and a belief that JB was capable of this due to the fact that he was the adopted in terms of something being inherently wrong with him (RB's labelling "The Bastard") and that he couldn't give two hoots about his immediate adoptive family.

Colin had custody of the twins for all intents and purposes and Sheila seemed to be quite happy with that arrangement. Grandparents had no rights in law whatsoever at that time so June was out on a limb whoever she was telephoning. Jeremy was a big spender who was always moaning he didn't have enough money:this comes from several sources.

[Patti]

Colin had custody of the twins for all intents and purposes and Sheila seemed to be quite happy with that arrangement. Grandparents had no rights in law whatsoever at that time so June was out on a limb whoever she was telephoning. Jeremy was a big spender who was always moaning he didn't have enough money:this comes from several sources.

Hi Steve

Colin had the twins because Sheila could not look after them, hence his letter to NB about the schools concerns.  But, Sheila was always allowed to see her children and there must have been concerns from her parents as to how resolve this situation so that their daughter could have her children back with her.

As for Jeremy being the big spender, just what did he buy?  He furnished his home, which everyone does and he went out at the weekends for a meal and drink...oh and he went clubing like 70% of the nation did at the weekend in those days...nothing unusual there...except that you are trying to make out that he was different than than the rest of the 70%....

[Jane]

Colin had custody of the twins for all intents and purposes and Sheila seemed to be quite happy with that arrangement. Grandparents had no rights in law whatsoever at that time so June was out on a limb whoever she was telephoning. Jeremy was a big spender who was always moaning he didn't have enough money:this comes from several sources.

Steve, I feel certain that you of ALL people will realize that if you say something with enough conviction, SOMEONE will believe you, which maybe what transpired when June had the conversation with her co-grandmother who may not have felt capable of arguing a point of law with a magistrate's wife.

So "Jeremy was a big spender" SAYS YOU, but if we look at this another way, MAYBE Jeremy was just generous to his friends, but not TOO generous because people like you would say he was bragging. Also, in my experience, those with the most money are the most likely to complain of its lack, so it is more than likely that Jeremy would say he was broke. Poor guy was between a rock and a hard place. There are leeches aplenty when it comes to sniffing out money.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve

Colin had the twins because Sheila could not look after them, hence his letter to NB about the schools concerns.  But, Sheila was always allowed to see her children and there must have been concerns from her parents as to how resolve this situation so that their daughter could have her children back with her.

As for Jeremy being the big spender, just what did he buy?  He furnished his home, which everyone does and he went out at the weekends for a meal and drink...oh and he went clubing like 70% of the nation did at the weekend in those days...nothing unusual there...except that you are trying to make out that he was different than than the rest of the 70%....

He liked to cause a splash at nightclubs to relieve the monotony of his day-to-day existence;we all know the type. He had crashed his car and was in hock to Nevill for that and a loan he took for his round the world trip,just as David Bain had crashed a motorbike on a test drive and had no means of repayment.

I wonder why people are still doubting that Jeremy disliked his parents to say the least. It comes from more than one witness and it seems to me people are trying to rewrite history on the scantest of evidence,present company excepted.

[Patti]

He liked to cause a splash at nightclubs to relieve the monotony of his day-to-day existence;we all know the type. He had crashed his car and was in hock to Nevill for that and a loan he took for his round the world trip,just as David Bain had crashed a motorbike on a test drive and had no means of repayment.

I wonder why people are still doubting that Jeremy disliked his parents to say the least. It comes from more than one witness and it seems to me people are trying to rewrite history on the scantest of evidence,present company excepted.

What sort of a splash?  What type was he? When and where did he crash his car? From what I hear many young men/women go and have a year out somewhere its not that unusual then or now.

Good night Steve...sleep well and don't have nightmares xxxx

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I feel certain that you of ALL people will realize that if you say something with enough conviction, SOMEONE will believe you, which maybe what transpired when June had the conversation with her co-grandmother who may not have felt capable of arguing a point of law with a magistrate's wife.

So "Jeremy was a big spender" SAYS YOU, but if we look at this another way, MAYBE Jeremy was just generous to his friends, but not TOO generous because people like you would say he was bragging. Also, in my experience, those with the most money are the most likely to complain of its lack, so it is more than likely that Jeremy would say he was broke. Poor guy was between a rock and a hard place. There are leeches aplenty when it comes to sniffing out money.

Jeremy had had money spent on his education,he had money spent on his trips abroad,he had a cottage provided rent free for which a worker at the farm had been made redundant to make room for Jeremy. He had free use of the petrol pump at Vaulty Manor,he had some salary from a minor and useless role as director of the Osea Road caravan site..all this but still not satisfied. Nevill was overheard saying "I hope that boy has an understanding bank manager",as Nevill himself was undergoing temporary liquidity problems with converting Granny Bamber's property into flats. I don't think it's too strong to say Jeremy was obsessed with money,which is why he harvested cannabis in the barn and dried it out under his sunbed,drugs which are behind this whole shocking crime.

[Jane]

He liked to cause a splash at nightclubs to relieve the monotony of his day-to-day existence;we all know the type. He had crashed his car and was in hock to Nevill for that and a loan he took for his round the world trip,just as David Bain had crashed a motorbike on a test drive and had no means of repayment.

I wonder why people are still doubting that Jeremy disliked his parents to say the least. It comes from more than one witness and it seems to me people are trying to rewrite history on the scantest of evidence,present company excepted.

My God!!! Whatever sort of world do you inhabit? Jeremy was living the same sort of life as most other young men in his position. So he crashed a car!! BIG DEAL!!! I crashed a car. The insurance paid out. It's what we pay insurance for OR perhaps you're trying to insinuate that Jeremy was driving an UNinsured vehicle. And so what if he moaned about his parents to his mates. I'm willing to take a bet that ALL present were moaning about their respective olds. It's what the young do. It lets of steam. I'd be VERY surprised if you hadn't at some point moaned about your own parents, if not out loud, in your thoughts.

[Patti]

Jeremy had had money spent on his education,he had money spent on his trips abroad,he had a cottage provided rent free for which a worker at the farm had been made redundant to make room for Jeremy. He had free use of the petrol pump at Vaulty Manor,he had some salary from a minor and useless role as director of the Osea Road caravan site..all this but still not satisfied. Nevill was overheard saying "I hope that boy has an understanding bank manager",as Nevill himself was undergoing temporary liquidity problems with converting Granny Bamber's property into flats. I don't think it's too strong to say Jeremy was obsessed with money,which is why he harvested cannabis in the barn and dried it out under his sunbed,drugs which are behind this whole shocking crime.

I think Jeremy knew he was lucky to have the support that he had.  However, in his statements he was asked many times by Jones if he expected his parents to furnish his home and his reply to that was why should they!!!!! 

[Patti]

My God!!! Whatever sort of world do you inhabit? Jeremy was living the same sort of life as most other young men in his position. So he crashed a car!! BIG DEAL!!! I crashed a car. The insurance paid out. It's what we pay insurance for OR perhaps you're trying to insinuate that Jeremy was driving an UNinsured vehicle. And so what if he moaned about his parents to his mates. I'm willing to take a bet that ALL present were moaning about their respective olds. It's what the young do. It lets of steam. I'd be VERY surprised if you hadn't at some point moaned about your own parents, if not out loud, in your thoughts.

Hi Lovely April

I hope you were not hurt when you crashed your car........bless!  I agree Jeremy was living the kind of life that all men of his age were living at the time....No remarks about Colin living it up? Or Julie for that matter....don't mean to offend but if one remarks on one then the others should be considered...