ECHR ..... now - Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'

[susan]

Morning april  reading your post on DB who I actually had a passing sight of on the news think of the saying "He doth protest too much" or words to that effect you and camps are the masters of words so I will stand corrected

[susan]

Morning Caroline

I have also been told that Cameron cannot Appeal the decision by the ECHR he has 6 months to respond they only way round it is for Britain to pull out or words to that effect did not got this from the BBC had enough of them yesterday morning giving me false information and causing me to have a depressed morning

[Jane]

Morning april  reading your post on DB who I actually had a passing sight of on the news think of the saying "He doth protest too much" or words to that effect you and camps are the masters of words so I will stand corrected

Morning Susan. Perfectly well said :D

[susan]

Hello april  as long as you understand myself and the BBC are dangerous at 6.30 a.m but I hope I am more accurate than them and lookout did say they are the gormless ones not me

[Lugg]

Not knowing how he law works, isit possible for Jeremy to appeal to the ECHR against his conviction? That way wewould truly have an unbiased opinion. I have always felt that the CCRC are a kind of "old boys school" (women acknowledged of course) who elect each other into their closed number, thus offering the ability of corruption to take place?

[petey]

Morning petey

if new evidence is produced proving Jeremy is innocent would the ruling make any difference at that stage or would it just be a new trial.

Not a straightforward question to answer. The ECHR ruling and 'proving JB innocent' are two completely separate issues.

1 - It depends what the response of parliament is within the next 6 months.

2 - 'Proving JB innocent' is very generic. Depends on a whole host of reasons including the quality, reliability etc of the evidence.

[Jane]

Iwould be interested to know if the right to review will be automatic OR will it rest on certain criteria being deemed by prison authorities to have been fulfilled ie. behavioural patterns/acceptance of guilt. It seems to me that when all the variables are added in it could severely limit (in some cases, rightly so) an offenders chances of review.

[lookout]

Not knowing how he law works, isit possible for Jeremy to appeal to the ECHR against his conviction? That way wewould truly have an unbiased opinion. I have always felt that the CCRC are a kind of "old boys school" (women acknowledged of course) who elect each other into their closed number, thus offering the ability of corruption to take place?

Morning Lugg,,this is initially what I thought would happen,,in Jeremys' own right,,as not all criminals are inside for the same circumstances,particularly Jeremy. Why on earth can it not also be his Human Right for him to have a voice.? It's almost as though he's been gagged or threatened with a vow of silence. I did think that this ruling would have set a precedent for him to put an appeal in about the case in general.
Seemingly,there is now sufficient information,some new,to see his situation through. Eddie Gilfoyle managed after 16 years where police had held diaries,,and even then,he wasn't released for another two years. Up to date Eddie hasn't even received a pardon three years on.

[lookout]

A big difference would have been made if Jeremy had a close relative to stick by him. Poor man hasn't had anyone who he could confide in on a more personal level. It's so very sad indeed.
At least Eddie Gilfoyle had the extra voice of his sister who did wonders in Eddies' appeal. A great fighter against the unfair system and a boon to Eddie.

[nugnug]

i dont think it will make that much diffrence to jeremys case ethere.

[Caroline R]

Iwould be interested to know if the right to review will be automatic OR will it rest on certain criteria being deemed by prison authorities to have been fulfilled ie. behavioural patterns/acceptance of guilt. It seems to me that when all the variables are added in it could severely limit (in some cases, rightly so) an offenders chances of review.

Yes April, it does depend on several criteria. They have to assess the 'dangerousness' of the inmate. They look at how the offender has dealt with his/her crime - did they openly confess, show remorse and made genuine attempts to atone and rehabilitate. As you can see, that wouldn't fit JB's circumstances.

[lookout]

i dont think it will make that much diffrence to jeremys case ethere.

It seems not,nugs. I don't know why I suddenly feel like this,,and how Jeremy must be feeling,Lord only knows. He'll just have to brace himself for the next five years when there could be a review of his situation. It's the " not knowing " if anything is moving in the background that I feel frustrated with.No information is coming forthwith. I thought for sure that this ruling would at least give him the chance to request a move forward given the documentation he has accrued.

[Caroline R]

It seems not,nugs. I don't know why I suddenly feel like this,,and how Jeremy must be feeling,Lord only knows. He'll just have to brace himself for the next five years when there could be a review of his situation. It's the " not knowing " if anything is moving in the background that I feel frustrated with.No information is coming forthwith. I thought for sure that this ruling would at least give him the chance to request a move forward given the documentation he has accrued.

I think he is 'fully' aware of the fact that he won't make much difference to him and would almost certainly been advised of this. I think he is acting on principle and to keep his story in the media. People will see the news and start reading about his case. We here may see no difference but if people join the campaign, that's all to the good!!

[lookout]

I think he is 'fully' aware of the fact that he won't make much difference to him and would almost certainly been advised of this. I think he is acting on principle and to keep his story in the media. People will see the news and start reading about his case. We here may see no difference but if people join the campaign, that's all to the good!!

Hi Caroline,,I'm sure that Jeremy must be " programmed " to contend with set-backs and such like,as with the failed appeals that have befalled him,,so yes,he's intelligent enough to realise that this doesn't mean a " get out of jail free " card. As you say,,the more campaigners the better now,if he has any chance of seeing the light of day.

[nugnug]

well they have rulled whole life tarrifs ilgall but a tarrif could still be set so high that it was efectivly whole life tarrif.