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Offline Caroline

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #825 on: March 01, 2018, 01:32:PM »




Vanezis first handwritten verdict was exactly as he saw things. When was it typewritten ? Date ?

30th of Sept, he submitted his report after dug analysis etc. had been carried out.
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #826 on: March 01, 2018, 01:40:PM »
30th of Sept, he submitted his report after dug analysis etc. had been carried out.






Yes,everything changed then---------including reports. Dreadful.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #827 on: March 01, 2018, 04:41:PM »





Yes,everything changed then---------including reports. Dreadful.

His report didn't change other than the part about her hands.
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #828 on: March 01, 2018, 04:52:PM »
His report didn't change other than the part about her hands.






Apart from a few edits.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #829 on: March 01, 2018, 06:33:PM »





Apart from a few edits.

No, just the blood on her hands
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #830 on: March 01, 2018, 06:36:PM »
No, just the blood on her hands





And feet.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #831 on: March 01, 2018, 07:09:PM »




And feet.

He didn't say she had blood on her feet in either his notes ot final report and even if the picture of the foot was hers, the foot is clean.
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #832 on: March 01, 2018, 07:15:PM »
He didn't say she had blood on her feet in either his notes ot final report and even if the picture of the foot was hers, the foot is clean.

D'ya know? It would be really, REALLY good if we could sort out what people (experts) actually said, from what others (amateurs) say was said.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #833 on: March 01, 2018, 07:35:PM »
D'ya know? It would be really, REALLY good if we could sort out what people (experts) actually said, from what others (amateurs) say was said.





That's what you said in 2014---------but you were referring to Sheila's psychiatrists.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #834 on: March 01, 2018, 08:16:PM »
Colin thought her treatment was wrong, but then not many fully understand the nature of schizophrenia, if that's what was ailing her. On another matter does anyone know anything about the Kenneally report? Was it the one allegedly stolen from his loft? https://twitter.com/Bambertweets/status/969172289160974336?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #835 on: March 01, 2018, 08:24:PM »




That's what you said in 2014---------but you were referring to Sheila's psychiatrists.

Spending time snooping out previous posts, Lookout? I thought that was David's penchant. However, as you've bought it up, yes, I probably did think at the time, that it would have been good the have greater insight to Sheila's illness. I was never aware that she had more than one psychiatrist, though. It was a relief, though, when I no longer had to label as liars, all those I'd have had to apply the label to, in order for Jeremy to be innocent.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #836 on: March 01, 2018, 08:40:PM »




That's what you said in 2014---------but you were referring to Sheila's psychiatrists.

"That's what you said when you thought he was innocent" (said in squeeky mocking voice)  :P

When you change your mind Lookout and admit you were WRONG, you come to see how much of this is just BS!
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #837 on: March 01, 2018, 09:09:PM »
"That's what you said when you thought he was innocent" (said in squeeky mocking voice)  :P

When you change your mind Lookout and admit you were WRONG, you come to see how much of this is just BS!

The irony here is Caroline you weren't wrong. Your admittance of being wrong is actually in itself wrong.

Your necessity to make things fit regardless of how ludicrous and contradictory your version becomes just shows there's no going back for you.

You are like a religion that has to reform itself every so often in order to adapt to modern scientific facts. The BS is still believed but the rulebook is changed.  ;D
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #838 on: March 01, 2018, 09:14:PM »
The irony here is Caroline you weren't wrong. Your admittance of being wrong is actually in itself wrong.

Your necessity to make things fit regardless of how ludicrous and contradictory your version becomes just shows there's no going back for you.

No offence meant Caroline - but I think this is a pretty accurate description.  That's not to say you shouldn't question and challenge claims that are found wanting.  I do respect that. 

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #839 on: March 01, 2018, 09:46:PM »
Well, let's take one of your examples from above - Rolf Harris sexually assaulted several young women. His motive was self-serving.

My point was that being 'well respected' does not necessarily equate to being uncorrupted or beyond the reach of outside controlling forces.   I think that ambition can also spawn a form of 'self-serving'.

Vanezis didn't work for EP, nor did his career or pension depend on them.


Nevertheless, partner agencies within 'the state' often work in unofficial collusion.  I think it's very British not to 'rock the boat'.  For example, I don't believe for one moment that Huntingdon FSS etc. were 'independent' from the police or that the police had no tentacles that reached in to the FSS.  The police / media is the same.  We talk about a 'free press' but it's bullshit really isn't it?

You're blatantly stating that he falsified Sheila's autopsy report from day one, when he missed out vital injuries which could link her to the murder.  I know you don't think it your place to provide a motive - but without one, there is little or no reason for him to have done what he is being accused of.


No that's not what I'm stating!  I think you could be reading too much in to the section of handwritten notes made available.  Besides, there are so many cuts, nicks and abrasions, to list them all in minute detail would have been exhausting.  When Vanezis carried out the PM, Sheila was not just the prime suspect - she was the only suspect. 

Before anyone was accused of anything, the photographs would need to be authenticated (I believe you say that there are 'others'). Enlargements of her hands were at trial and were shown to the jury. Of course I know you question the quality of the photo's used but it was only in 1985, not 1885. I find it hard to believe that no one noticed injuries on her hands or all over her body from these images.

I think Jeremy's defence was woefully inadequate - despite big names being involved.  However I believe the judge led questioning at trial seemed designed to facilitate Vanezis to dismiss the hand-marks represented in whatever form of 'enlarged' photographic images that were made available.  I do not think the jury saw what we have seen on this forum. 

Otherwise, how did the person who produced these new images see what others have failed to see and be convinced enough to reproduce them?  Presumably, the negatives used to produce the CS photographs are the same negatives that were used to produce the images you refer to?  However, these new images, must have been digitally mastered?

Because EP retained control of their own property i.e. the negatives, to present the case as they saw fit, for their own aims.  As I understand it, Bird's photography was not the best.  He mainly took body-shots as opposed to close-ups of specific areas.  But the enlargement of specific areas could easily be carried out by professionals employed by the crown if need be.  I very much doubt that this would remove or undo any of the wounds / marks.  They own the negatives after-all?  There's nothing to stop them commissioning enlargements or a digital enhancements.