Main Bedroom

[Kaldin]

Another thing - that blood stain on June's pillow is not where her head was. I don't get it. She was shot in the neck, so why isn't the blood directly where her head was on the pillow?

I haven't looked much at the diagram of her wounds.  Does it tell us anything about whether she was lying on her side or her back in bed?  Could she have been raising her head or torso slightly?

Most of the shots seem to be to her right side. It's possible she was lying on her left side, but still the blood stains don't seem to match.

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[Alex]

Another thing - that blood stain on June's pillow is not where her head was. I don't get it. She was shot in the neck, so why isn't the blood directly where her head was on the pillow?

I haven't looked much at the diagram of her wounds.  Does it tell us anything about whether she was lying on her side or her back in bed?  Could she have been raising her head or torso slightly?

Most of the shots seem to be to her right side. It's possible she was lying on her left side, but still the blood stains don't seem to match.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=144.0;attach=82;image

Perhaps she was getting out of the bed when she received wound number 3 and fell backwards, the exit wound allowing the blood onto the pillow.

[Kaldin]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree, even though I don't understand the duvet business - but perhaps he wasn't under it.

Then there would be blood on top of it surely. It makes no sense at all - I'm beginning to think that none of it happened the way they said it did.

One thing is certain to me something happened inside that house when EP entered that is being hidden from us

It's just that the explanations are so glib. Oh, Nevill must have been shot in the bedroom. Well yes, but where's the evidence of that? I've seen no reports of his blood in the bedroom. There's blood all over the floor but nobody seems to have checked it properly. If it's June's why did nobody ask why she was walking all round the bedroom?

There's that cartridge on the main stairs, but they brushed that aside and said it must have come from the kitchen.

Yes, it doesn't appear that the police/prosecution tried very hard at all to work out what happened.  I wonder what experience their ballistics expert had, for one thing.  One (blood spatter) expert has said in recent years that he could draw certain conclusions about what Nevill was doing before he was shot in the kitchen but hasn't made those known (because he hasn't been asked to).

That would be interesting because I'd like to know what he was doing before he was shot in the kitchen.

If Jeremy did it, then Nevill wasn't in there in order to phone him. If Sheila did it, I think he'd already phoned Jeremy before he was shot in the bedroom, so he was in the kitchen for the second time in my opinion.

[Kaldin]

Another thing - that blood stain on June's pillow is not where her head was. I don't get it. She was shot in the neck, so why isn't the blood directly where her head was on the pillow?

I haven't looked much at the diagram of her wounds.  Does it tell us anything about whether she was lying on her side or her back in bed?  Could she have been raising her head or torso slightly?

Most of the shots seem to be to her right side. It's possible she was lying on her left side, but still the blood stains don't seem to match.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=144.0;attach=82;image

Perhaps she was getting out of the bed when she received wound number 3 and fell backwards, the exit wound allowing the blood onto the pillow.

Maybe. It still seems to be in a strange place to me.

[chelmsey]

Is it absolutely certain that Ralph phoned JB from the kitchen? only,the alleged call that Ralph made to the police,was from the upstairs office.

[Kaldin]

Is it absolutely certain that Ralph phoned JB from the kitchen? only,the alleged call that Ralph made to the police,was from the upstairs office.

Who says that Nevill called the police from the upstairs office? 

[chelmsey]

I read somewhere that last number redial from upstairs phone showed a call to the police station?

[Kaldin]

I read somewhere that last number redial from upstairs phone showed a call to the police station?

That's the first I've heard of it, and I've also heard that the one phone with a last number redial facility had been sent for repair.

[chelmsey]

Thats odd         Its been said that there were usually 4 phones in the house.Due to a lightning strike two of them were broken and so the one normally kept in the bedrrom was now being used in the downstairs kitchen.JB was adammant that there was only one line from the house.Woould the lightning strike have not broken all the phones in that case?

[chelmsey]

Oh and I read about the upstairs office phone form scott lomax book.Did he make this up then?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Another thing - that blood stain on June's pillow is not where her head was. I don't get it. She was shot in the neck, so why isn't the blood directly where her head was on the pillow?

I haven't looked much at the diagram of her wounds.  Does it tell us anything about whether she was lying on her side or her back in bed?  Could she have been raising her head or torso slightly?

I have always assumed that June slept on the right hand side of the bed (if you're stood at the facing it from the foot of the bed). This is simply because of her final resting place on that side. Could this be false assumption on my part? (rhetorical question really).

Has anybody seen confirmation of who slept on which side?

Also, do you think Sheila 'popped across' the landing from her room to parents room to a) hide b) investigate a commotion c) because she was forced to or d) other

Most of the shots seem to be to her right side. It's possible she was lying on her left side, but still the blood stains don't seem to match.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=144.0;attach=82;image

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I thought only ONE phone was in for repair
One of the phones had a memory redial (might be the one in for repair) but this wouldn't have yielded any results anyway unless it had actually been dialed from, and even if it had been dialled from, would have proved nothing either way)
I know nothing of a lightning strike.
No guarantee it would kill every phone even if one happened.

[Kaldin]

Oh and I read about the upstairs office phone form scott lomax book.Did he make this up then?

If there had been a call to the police from the upstairs office phone, I think it would have been mentioned by now. Perhaps he was speculating.

[Kaldin]

I have always assumed that June slept on the right hand side of the bed (if you're stood at the facing it from the foot of the bed). This is simply because of her final resting place on that side. Could this be false assumption on my part? (rhetorical question really).

Has anybody seen confirmation of who slept on which side?

Also, do you think Sheila 'popped across' the landing from her room to parents room to a) hide b) investigate a commotion c) because she was forced to or d) other

I thought it had been confirmed which side June slept on, and I must admit I hadn't questioned it, but I've been wondering lately if she did sleep on that side nearest the door.

I wonder if the police actually checked that it was her blood on that side of the bed.

The problem here is all that blood on the floor at the foot of the bed and going round to the other side of the bed. It would make more sense if that was Nevill's blood or if June slept on the other side of the bed. I don't think it's Sheila's blood.

I just don't know why Sheila was in her parents' room or why she was shot in that particular place - either by herself or by someone else. If she was shot after Nevill and June she either had to walk right past her mother's body or she came into the room via the small room next to the boys' room.

[Alex]

There's some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to the bed where the cartridges were allegedly found. Nobody mentioned that did they?

In fact, there seems to be an awful lot of bedclothes for August. Perhaps it was a particularly cold summer.

Anyway, the majority of the bullets were fired from one place in my opinion - towards the bed, and some of them were at Nevill allegedly, and yet he left no sign of being shot in that room. It's just nonsense.

You mean the white one visible in the photo of June?

Yes, it may have been cold - perhaps that's why Jeremy took two jumpers with him when he went to meet the police.

"Tuesday 6 August 1985, and the south Essex coast was cool for the time of year. Temperatures overnight dipped to 11 degrees and there were brief rain showers." from http://crimeheartsandcoronets.blogspot.com/2010/11/jeremy-bamber-guilty-as-charged.html