Main Bedroom

[Alex]

There's some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to the bed where the cartridges were allegedly found. Nobody mentioned that did they?

In fact, there seems to be an awful lot of bedclothes for August. Perhaps it was a particularly cold summer.

Anyway, the majority of the bullets were fired from one place in my opinion - towards the bed, and some of them were at Nevill allegedly, and yet he left no sign of being shot in that room. It's just nonsense.

You mean the white one visible in the photo of June?

Yes, it may have been cold - perhaps that's why Jeremy took two jumpers with him when he went to meet the police.

[Kaldin]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

[Kaldin]

There's some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to the bed where the cartridges were allegedly found. Nobody mentioned that did they?

In fact, there seems to be an awful lot of bedclothes for August. Perhaps it was a particularly cold summer.

Anyway, the majority of the bullets were fired from one place in my opinion - towards the bed, and some of them were at Nevill allegedly, and yet he left no sign of being shot in that room. It's just nonsense.

You mean the white one visible in the photo of June?

Yes, it may have been cold - perhaps that's why Jeremy took two jumpers with him when he went to meet the police.

It's not white - it's darkish and patterned. There's some kind of blue patterned duvet on the bed, plus some kind of thick pink patterned blanket which is at the bottom of the bed. Then there's that eiderdown on the floor next to the bed.

[Kaldin]

Here's a pic of it.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=144.0;attach=1007;image

[Alex]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree, even though I don't understand the duvet business - but perhaps he wasn't under it.

[Alex]

Here's a pic of it.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=144.0;attach=1007;image

Oh yes.  I haven't seen any mention of that either.

[Kaldin]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree, even though I don't understand the duvet business - but perhaps he wasn't under it.

Then there would be blood on top of it surely. It makes no sense at all - I'm beginning to think that none of it happened the way they said it did.

[Kaldin]

Another thing - that blood stain on June's pillow is not where her head was. I don't get it. She was shot in the neck, so why isn't the blood directly where her head was on the pillow?

[jon]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree, even though I don't understand the duvet business - but perhaps he wasn't under it.

Then there would be blood on top of it surely. It makes no sense at all - I'm beginning to think that none of it happened the way they said it did.

One thing is certain to me something happened inside that house when EP entered that is being hidden from us

[Kaldin]

Actually, I think the cover is pulled back a bit on Nevill's side - it's just difficult to see properly. You wouldn't necessarily throw the bedclothes right back, especially if you'd been shot.

[Kaldin]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree, even though I don't understand the duvet business - but perhaps he wasn't under it.

Then there would be blood on top of it surely. It makes no sense at all - I'm beginning to think that none of it happened the way they said it did.

One thing is certain to me something happened inside that house when EP entered that is being hidden from us

It's just that the explanations are so glib. Oh, Nevill must have been shot in the bedroom. Well yes, but where's the evidence of that? I've seen no reports of his blood in the bedroom. There's blood all over the floor but nobody seems to have checked it properly. If it's June's why did nobody ask why she was walking all round the bedroom?

There's that cartridge on the main stairs, but they brushed that aside and said it must have come from the kitchen.

[Kaldin]

Where did the phone usually sit in the bedroom? There's hardly room on those bedside tables.

[Alex]

Actually, I think the cover is pulled back a bit on Nevill's side - it's just difficult to see properly. You wouldn't necessarily throw the bedclothes right back, especially if you'd been shot.

Yes.

[Alex]

Another thing - that blood stain on June's pillow is not where her head was. I don't get it. She was shot in the neck, so why isn't the blood directly where her head was on the pillow?

I haven't looked much at the diagram of her wounds.  Does it tell us anything about whether she was lying on her side or her back in bed?  Could she have been raising her head or torso slightly?

[Alex]

OK.  So may be blood-spotted carpet on Nevill's side of the bed is his after all.  Possibly he wasn't bleeding as much as June.  But why is the duvet not pulled down on his side of the bed, if that's where he was to begin with?  I can't imagine why he or indeed any killer would pull the duvet back up.

Why oh why didn't they check properly? It's impossible to tell what happened in that room - they just assumed so much. I think some of that blood must be Nevill's if he was shot in the bedroom. I think he was in bed and he got out and that isn't June's blood on the floor at all. It makes no sense otherwise.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree, even though I don't understand the duvet business - but perhaps he wasn't under it.

Then there would be blood on top of it surely. It makes no sense at all - I'm beginning to think that none of it happened the way they said it did.

One thing is certain to me something happened inside that house when EP entered that is being hidden from us

It's just that the explanations are so glib. Oh, Nevill must have been shot in the bedroom. Well yes, but where's the evidence of that? I've seen no reports of his blood in the bedroom. There's blood all over the floor but nobody seems to have checked it properly. If it's June's why did nobody ask why she was walking all round the bedroom?

There's that cartridge on the main stairs, but they brushed that aside and said it must have come from the kitchen.

Yes, it doesn't appear that the police/prosecution tried very hard at all to work out what happened.  I wonder what experience their ballistics expert had, for one thing.  One (blood spatter) expert has said in recent years that he could draw certain conclusions about what Nevill was doing before he was shot in the kitchen but hasn't made those known (because he hasn't been asked to).