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[Kaldin]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

[mike tesko]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

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Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

[ngb1066]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

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Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

[mike tesko]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

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Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

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There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

[ngb1066]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

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Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

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There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

[mike tesko]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

-----------------------

Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

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There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

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As far as I know the .22 air rifle that was found at whf was a section 1 firearm, and Ralph Bamber had ammunition which was designed to mushroom upon impact and cause maximum damage, internally...

[ngb1066]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

-----------------------

Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

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There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

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As far as I know the .22 air rifle that was found at whf was a section 1 firearm, and Ralph Bamber had ammunition which was designed to mushroom upon impact and cause maximum damage, internally...

That is very interesting and potentially significant.  Do you know if the air rifle was single shot or multi-shot?  Some have a magazine and if in addition they are gas operated rather than spring operated they can be fired in the same way as a semi automatic .22 LR rimfire rifle.  They can also be fitted with a Parker Hale sound moderator, which raises some interesting possibilities here.

[mike tesko]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

-----------------------

Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

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There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

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As far as I know the .22 air rifle that was found at whf was a section 1 firearm, and Ralph Bamber had ammunition which was designed to mushroom upon impact and cause maximum damage, internally...

That is very interesting and potentially significant.  Do you know if the air rifle was single shot or multi-shot?  Some have a magazine and if in addition they are gas operated rather than spring operated they can be fired in the same way as a semi automatic .2 LR rimfire rifle.  They can also be fitted with a Parker Hale sound moderator, which raises some interesting possibilities here.

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I am sorry, I am not privy to this information, but I do know that the Bamber owned Parker hale silencer could be fitted to its barrel...

[ngb1066]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

-----------------------

Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

---------------

There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

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As far as I know the .22 air rifle that was found at whf was a section 1 firearm, and Ralph Bamber had ammunition which was designed to mushroom upon impact and cause maximum damage, internally...

That is very interesting and potentially significant.  Do you know if the air rifle was single shot or multi-shot?  Some have a magazine and if in addition they are gas operated rather than spring operated they can be fired in the same way as a semi automatic .22 LR rimfire rifle.  They can also be fitted with a Parker Hale sound moderator, which raises some interesting possibilities here.

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I am sorry, I am not privy to this information, but I do know that the Bamber owned Parker hale silencer could be fitted to its barrel...

Do you know if the air rifle was ever taken by the police and subjected to fingerprint or other forensic examination?

[mike tesko]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

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Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

-----------------------

Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

---------------

There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

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As far as I know the .22 air rifle that was found at whf was a section 1 firearm, and Ralph Bamber had ammunition which was designed to mushroom upon impact and cause maximum damage, internally...

That is very interesting and potentially significant.  Do you know if the air rifle was single shot or multi-shot?  Some have a magazine and if in addition they are gas operated rather than spring operated they can be fired in the same way as a semi automatic .22 LR rimfire rifle.  They can also be fitted with a Parker Hale sound moderator, which raises some interesting possibilities here.

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I am sorry, I am not privy to this information, but I do know that the Bamber owned Parker hale silencer could be fitted to its barrel...

Do you know if the air rifle was ever taken by the police and subjected to fingerprint or other forensic examination?

------ I do know yes, it was fingerprinted along with the 12 bore shotgun and fingerprints were found upon its barrel which matched those of Ralph and Sheila...

[ngb1066]

The building plan shows the casing [DRH14] just two steps down on the first quarter landing. Which makes me think the 'casing wedged in a boot' theory seems less likely. Having been carried that far it would be firmly wedged. In turn that seems to make the 'Ralph shot 4 times in the kitchen' also less likely, and consequently, that at least one or more of the head wounds was delivered upstairs. Meaning by the time he got to the kitchen he was in no condition to put up any kind of struggle. Injuries to his right arm were probably an attempt to ward off blows to his body.

----------------

Your views about this  interest me - thanks for posting them...

It interests me as well. If there were only three shots fired in the kitchen, that means Nevill already had at least one head wound upstairs (or near the top of the stairs). Could he have gone to the kitchen in that state?

-----------------------

Or, was he shot for the fourth time by a .22 bullet that was discharged from a .22  weapon that did not require bullet cases?

Mike - I assume that you are suggesting that the air rifle might have been used.  Is that correct?  The problem with that is that an air rifle fires a "slug" which does not have the same characteristics as a .22 LR rimfire bullet.  Surely the forensic analysis would have noted that?  Am I missing something here?

---------------

There are two types of .22 air rifle, as far as I know, one of which is a section 1 firearm...

Mike - that is true and it is based upon the power of the weapon.  I am not sure whether a different type of slug/bullet is typically fired from a section 1 firearm air rifle - I have always assumed that there is no difference but I may be wrong.  I have not seen any evidence that the air rifle at WHF fell into the category of a section 1 firearm but I doubt it as they are fairly unusual now and were more so at that time.  It would also have been listed on Nevill's firearm certificate. Do you have any further information on this?

----------------------

As far as I know the .22 air rifle that was found at whf was a section 1 firearm, and Ralph Bamber had ammunition which was designed to mushroom upon impact and cause maximum damage, internally...

That is very interesting and potentially significant.  Do you know if the air rifle was single shot or multi-shot?  Some have a magazine and if in addition they are gas operated rather than spring operated they can be fired in the same way as a semi automatic .22 LR rimfire rifle.  They can also be fitted with a Parker Hale sound moderator, which raises some interesting possibilities here.

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I am sorry, I am not privy to this information, but I do know that the Bamber owned Parker hale silencer could be fitted to its barrel...

Do you know if the air rifle was ever taken by the police and subjected to fingerprint or other forensic examination?

------ I do know yes, it was fingerprinted along with the 12 bore shotgun and fingerprints were found upon its barrel which matched those of Ralph and Sheila...

The fact that Sheila's figerprints were found on it is very interesting.

[Kaldin]

Any documentation to prove Sheila's prints were on it? If so, please post it.

[mike tesko]

Any documentation to prove Sheila's prints were on it? If so, please post it.

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This diagram was found on the police file, which refers to fingerprints found upon the 12 bore shotgun aqnd the .22 air rifle:-

[Kaldin]

How do you make that out?

[mike tesko]

How do you make that out?

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Four fingerprints found on barrel of .22 air rifle, Marked A, B, C and D - only two fingerprints found on .22 semi-automatic anshulz rifle (JB's and Sheila's...