The case of Colin Norris.

[Patti]

I do agree with CCTV in hospitals. Alot already have the hallways recorded, so I thnik it's logical that it needs to become more widespread.

Do you?

I do in a way, especially upon hearing about things like this. But what would patients think? Again it difficult because so much of what we already do is on camera. Where do you draw the line? 

[Bridget]

I agree with everything that you have said, Patti. The Daily Mail article seems to be overly positive - and does miss some information out - most alarmingly that insulin was actually missing from the fridge on more than one occasion.

They also missed out the fact that three of the patients were administered with unnecessary doses of morphine using old prescriptions and it was alleged that this was in order to sedate them prior to giving them the insulin injections (not that I really understand why that would be necessary). The appeal decision indicates that it was Norris who administered it, did he deny that? Morphine is a controlled drug isn't it? I would have thought the name of the person administering it would be clearly recorded. I wonder why that didn't set the alarm bells ringing on its own.

[guest154]

They also missed out the fact that three of the patients were administered with unnecessary doses of morphine using old prescriptions and it was alleged that this was in order to sedate them prior to giving them the insulin injections (not that I really understand why that would be necessary). The appeal decision indicates that it was Norris who administered it, did he deny that? Morphine is a controlled drug isn't it? I would have thought the name of the person administering it would be clearly recorded. I wonder why that didn't set the alarm bells ringing on its own.

Yeah, Bridget. The article is overly positive to CN. Which gets a lot of people on his band wagon because they make the case sound so cut and dry.

[Patti]

What strikes me though is although he admits he was there and the last to see them, there is no real proof that administered insulin, or taken it from the fridge.

I also noted that more died after his arrest and that shock especially in the elder can suffer from hypoglycemia, apparently it in more common that we think. 

I think it is likely that he did it, but likely is not good enough, so at the moment I am not sure. 

[Jo]

I have a copy of a new book released about Colin's case if anyone wants it or you can get it here-: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Colin-Norris-Inside-Justice/dp/0956285589/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371574857&sr=8-1&keywords=colin+norris

[Lugg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326712/Is-nurse-serving-30-years-murders-happened-Compelling-new-evidence-suggests-Angel-Death-innocent.html

I'm not sure about this. There was insulin missing from the fridge that is in the COA document. I am a diabetic and when I get ill or when I am shocked about something my BS drops and on several occasions this has happened at work...possibly stress? I'm not sure. But on each occasion the paramedics had to give me glucose to raise my BS...because it has dropped too low and I had to be admitted to hospital...It's all under control now, but the experience of passing out,shaking and feeling lifeless is very frightening.  They say reach 4 and hit the floor, but mine was 2.7. I had to have more glucose when I arrived at hospital, but by then I come round and felt fine even though my BS was still only 3.2.

My Grandma was also diabetic as was my mother/ My gran suffered many times in her older age and was admitted to hospital several time after going into a coma, she was 86 when she died. On her death cert it says Diabetes Mellitus and does my mothers, even though she had a stroke.....

I can relate to these old ladies who lost their lives, because there are lots and lots of people that go through life not being diagnosed...but, sadly in their cases the evidence is there, they had large quantities of insulin in their blood...but yet each and everyone of them were old and had undergone an operation which might have shocked their system and reduced the BS...putting them into a coma....

Through Colins own admissions he was the last to have seen them alive....which put him in an awful situation if he was not responsible for their death, but this does not explain the missing insulin from the fridge....

Iam type 2 diabetic. Sometimes a hypo can go unnoticed until it is too late. I have more hypos (too low sugar) than hypers (too much sugar). Hypos can affect people in different ways. When I have a hypos the first thing I notice is that I get very light headed. Then my strength just drains from my and everything is an effort. It does sometimes affect your temper. You become very short with people if your blood sugar is too high. I have told my family that if I pass out don't try and feed me with stuff. Just call the paramedic. Because sometimes people make the mistake of giving insulin when you in fact need sugar.

[Jo]

I don't believe he's guilty,Joanne01.

Colin says thank you for asking about him and starting a thread to highlight his case. It means a lot to him that fellow nurses support him as well as non-medical people.

[maggie]

Hi stephie how are you?   Hope you are feeling better now. Im staying with my sister in Spain at the moment.  Hope Simon is improving by now and youv'e had some time togetherxxx

[Patti]

This topic has been locked. It will be stripped back to debating point I hope this is not an inconvenience, but as you can appreciate I am very busy at the moment...so will split the topic later. Thank you in advance

Its now unlocked.