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The case of Colin Norris.
« on: May 19, 2013, 02:44:PM »
 This guy was a nurse at two Leeds hospitasl and was jailed for the murders of Ethel Hall,Bridget Bourke,Doris Ludlam,Irene Crooks,and the attempted murder of Vera Wilby.
New evidence now suggests that the former nurse is innocent and the deaths were of natural causes.

The judge at his trial described Colin Norris as an arrogant and manipulative man with a dislike of the elderly,,,a cold-blooded serial killer who murdered four people,nearly a fifth,by injecting them with insulin. The judge ordered that Norris serve 30 years. Norris was dubbed the " Angel of Death ".

He's serving his sentence in a maximum security jail alongside the Soham murderer,,and Norris often suffers contamination of his food,bodily fluids,foil from a coffee jar.

Compelling evidence shows that not only is he innocent,, they all died from natural causes,hypoglycaemia,,where the body,including the brain,shuts down.
It was never claimed that this condition happened spontaneously,,but by injection of insulin,,however,there was no evidence that Norris had injected them with anything.

The common factor in this case was that Norris was looking after them when they died. He's had one failed appeal so far.

If anyone's interested in the case,it's worth a read,,because Norris was a pleb like Jeremy,who used to say things about patients,,some sinister,,but never really meant anything by what he'd said,,but it was picked-up on by others who made something out of it at the trial. 

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Re: The case of Colin Norris.
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2013, 04:35:PM »
Lookout this is the COA document.

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2009/2697.html&query=colin+and+norris&method=boolean

Thanks for posting that Patti. I have a few friends that were speaking about this Friday at work (since the DM were gonig to run a positive piece on CN on sunday) - will pass that along.

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2013, 05:07:PM »
Thanks for posting that Patti. I have a few friends that were speaking about this Friday at work (since the DM were gonig to run a positive piece on CN on sunday) - will pass that along.

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OK OK what the heck is DM and CN....lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The case of Colin Norris.
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2013, 05:27:PM »
I am in touch with Colin, I do not believe he is guilty and I think the media largely made out he was/is arrogant and I feel the impact of Beverly Allitt and Harold Shipman cases played a part in finding him guilty.
Please visit his site http://www.freecolinnorris.co.uk/
He has asked me to point people towards his site but it's hard to due when people think he is guilty and don't want to listen.

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Re: The case of Colin Norris.
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2013, 05:38:PM »
I don't believe he's guilty,Joanne01.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 07:42:PM »
OK OK what the heck is DM and CN....lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D

DM = Daily Mail.
CN = Colin Norris.


Sorry!  :-[

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Re: The case of Colin Norris.
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 08:06:PM »
DM = Daily Mail.
CN = Colin Norris.


Sorry!  :-[

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And did they?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 09:00:PM »
Yeah, I saw it this morning. Should be on the website too.  :)

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 09:40:PM »
Yeah, I saw it this morning. Should be on the website too.  :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326712/Is-nurse-serving-30-years-murders-happened-Compelling-new-evidence-suggests-Angel-Death-innocent.html

I'm not sure about this. There was insulin missing from the fridge that is in the COA document. I am a diabetic and when I get ill or when I am shocked about something my BS drops and on several occasions this has happened at work...possibly stress? I'm not sure. But on each occasion the paramedics had to give me glucose to raise my BS...because it has dropped too low and I had to be admitted to hospital...It's all under control now, but the experience of passing out,shaking and feeling lifeless is very frightening.  They say reach 4 and hit the floor, but mine was 2.7. I had to have more glucose when I arrived at hospital, but by then I come round and felt fine even though my BS was still only 3.2.

My Grandma was also diabetic as was my mother/ My gran suffered many times in her older age and was admitted to hospital several time after going into a coma, she was 86 when she died. On her death cert it says Diabetes Mellitus and does my mothers, even though she had a stroke.....

I can relate to these old ladies who lost their lives, because there are lots and lots of people that go through life not being diagnosed...but, sadly in their cases the evidence is there, they had large quantities of insulin in their blood...but yet each and everyone of them were old and had undergone an operation which might have shocked their system and reduced the BS...putting them into a coma....

Through Colins own admissions he was the last to have seen them alive....which put him in an awful situation if he was not responsible for their death, but this does not explain the missing insulin from the fridge.... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 09:43:PM »
I agree with everything that you have said, Patti. The Daily Mail article seems to be overly positive - and does miss some information out - most alarmingly that insulin was actually missing from the fridge on more than one occasion.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 09:51:PM »
I agree with everything that you have said, Patti. The Daily Mail article seems to be overly positive - and does miss some information out - most alarmingly that insulin was actually missing from the fridge on more than one occasion.

Trouble is with things of this nature, you can't prove one or another that it was him that actually took the insulin and injected it. But, I suspect deaths of this nature ceased after his arrest????  :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2013, 09:56:PM »
Trouble is with things of this nature, you can't prove one or another that it was him that actually took the insulin and injected it. But, I suspect deaths of this nature ceased after his arrest????  :) :) :) :)

Sadly not, Patti - there were more deaths that occured after the arrest. Or at least the current legal team are saying they have proof that more deaths of this kind occured after the arrest.

I'm 50/50 on this case at the moment.

It's almost impossible to prove who took the insulin. (Although you can't even say it was stolen, it could have just been used by anyone and not signed out properly, could have been damaged but not reported etc).

The medical evidence presented in court is also looking quite skewed too, and maybe deaths of this kind are more common that the prosecution led the jury to believe. That's the problem when you have 'experts' that can say whatever they like and not really have to back it up on the stand, if it goes unchallenged on the stand then it can be very dangerous.

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 10:01:PM »
Sadly not, Patti - there were more deaths that occured after the arrest. Or at least the current legal team are saying they have proof that more deaths of this kind occured after the arrest.

I'm 50/50 on this case at the moment.

It's almost impossible to prove who took the insulin. (Although you can't even say it was stolen, it could have just been used by anyone and not signed out properly, could have been damaged but not reported etc).

The medical evidence presented in court is also looking quite skewed too, and maybe deaths of this kind are more common that the prosecution led the jury to believe. That's the problem when you have 'experts' that can say whatever they like and not really have to back it up on the stand, if it goes unchallenged on the stand then it can be very dangerous.

Yeah I have just read that there were others dying from the same thing.  Its a difficult one isn't it.  do you believe in CCTV's being installed in hospitals? I know the cost would be high, but it would be a fantastic deterrent against things like this happening in the future. Cost of Lives?  :-\ :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2013, 10:06:PM »
Yeah I have just read that there were others dying from the same thing.  Its a difficult one isn't it.  do you believe in CCTV's being installed in hospitals? I know the cost would be high, but it would be a fantastic deterrent against things like this happening in the future. Cost of Lives?  :-\ :) :) :) :)

I do agree with CCTV in hospitals. Alot already have the hallways recorded, so I thnik it's logical that it needs to become more widespread.

Do you?