Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[tyler]

Lookout,IIRC the first shot was deemed close contact but not quite contact.

[Jane]

Lookout,IIRC the first shot was deemed close contact but not quite contact.

So how the HELL could Jeremy possibly have shot her in the neck from a standing position if she was where Steve SAID she was. However, and THANKYOU Steve for it, when I imagine Jeremy getting close enough to a living person to AMOST touch them with the rifle before pulling the trigger, and witnessing the fear in their eyes, I'm UTTERLY convinced he didn't do it.

[Jane]

Lookout,IIRC the first shot was deemed close contact but not quite contact.

How the HELL could Jeremy have shot her in the neck from a standing position if she was where Steve SAYS she was? However, and THANKYOU Steve, when I'm forced to think of Jeremy being close enough to ALMOST touch her with the rifle and see the pleading in her eyes, I'm utterly convinced he didn't do it.

[lookout]

Lookout,IIRC the first shot was deemed close contact but not quite contact.

Thanks,tyler,,just a thought.I wondered if you realised what I'm edging toward.?
Sort of from one corner of the kitchen to the " target ".

[lookout]

Thanks,tyler,,just a thought.I wondered if you realised what I'm edging toward.?
Sort of from one corner of the kitchen to the " target ".

Because there's every possibility that Neville made that first shot.

[lookout]

So that first shot on Sheilas' neck was about 3 or 4 inches away. Easily done if the shooter is in a seated position with the perpetrator standing over him,,but not easy with a rifle to inflict oneself. My guess is that Neville had hold of the rifle at this point after having been badly injured himself.
Fingerprints of an unknown origin and also blood was found on the rifle butt.To my knowledge,Nevilles' hand/s weren't forensically tested for lead,,unless Essex police know differently in their " hidden files " which they won't release.?
That second shot to Sheila wasn't done by herself. I would say it happened about 7.30/8.45am. Jeremy was outside,shivering in the cold.

[Caroline R]

Hi, personally I cannot agree with Lugg's opinion that the Pathologist told the ENTIRE truth. Not only him, but the ENTIRE motley crew of the officers present at the CONTRIVED Crime Scene, in the Master Bedroom,  at WHF uwere lying. I do feel there is significance that The Pathologist was NOT 'invited to the Crime Scene'.
Whose idea was it to contrive the situation which required the placing of the bloodied Bible adjacent to Sheila's arm?Presumably this scenario was set to create a photographic record that Sheila was not of sound mind.
So, whose bloodied palm print was made on the Opened Bible?
So, why were there no records of type of blood, or hand print marks?
It begs the question as to whether one of those present, when Sheila was accidentally, and actually shot dead by the bullet in the breech of the rifle (which hadn't been checked out), was responsible for their blood being on the open pages of the Bible.
Who might that officer have been? I fear Steve was not privy to this contrived evidence.

Hi Campion, the dimensions of the bible make it VERY unlikely that a man was responsible for the print - it had to be someone with 'slender' hands.

[Steve_uk]

How the HELL could Jeremy have shot her in the neck from a standing position if she was where Steve SAYS she was? However, and THANKYOU Steve, when I'm forced to think of Jeremy being close enough to ALMOST touch her with the rifle and see the pleading in her eyes, I'm utterly convinced he didn't do it.

But she wasn't in a normal frame of mind,which is how Jeremy left her on the Tuesday evening and telephoned Julie to say "tonight's the night..it's now or never.." We have been told Sheila was vacant,she was staring into space,not fully cognizant of what was going on. Under those circumstances it would be easy to spin a lie to her about intruders,to just sit in the corner whilst Jeremy would sort it out..

[lookout]

But she wasn't in a normal frame of mind,which is how Jeremy left her on the Tuesday evening and telephoned Julie to say "tonight's the night..it's now or never.." We been told Sheila was vacant,she was staring into space,not fully cognizant of what was going on. Under those circumstances t would be easy to spin a lie to her about intruders,to just sit in the corner whilst Jeremy would sort it out..

Steve,,Sheila had been vacant from the time she was dropped off at WHF for the last time. Even round the shops she wasn't " with it ".Then the final straw was the poor electric man who she frightened to death.

[Jane]

But she wasn't in a normal frame of mind,which is how Jeremy left her on the Tuesday evening and telephoned Julie to say "tonight's the night..it's now or never.." We been told Sheila was vacant,she was staring into space,not fully cognizant of what was going on. Under those circumstances t would be easy to spin a lie to her about intruders,to just sit in the corner whilst Jeremy would sort it out..

Do you EVER answer a question that is asked of you? It may amuse you to be obtuse, but I find it both irritating and discourteous to be replied to with an answer which has absolutely NO relationship to the point I made. Please refer to Post 481.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,Sheila had been vacant from the time she was dropped off at WHF for the last time. Even round the shops she wasn't " with it ".Then the final straw was the poor electric man who she frightened to death.

But he was an intruder. Far be it from me to give a detailed diagnosis of another person's schizophrenia but it was strangers whom Sheila didn't like. When she recognized Nevill at the Maida Vale flat during one of the bouts of psychoses she was miraculously transformed according to witnesses.

[lookout]

But he was an intruder. Far be it from me to give a detailed diagnosis of another person's schizophrenia but it was strangers whom Sheila didn't like. When she recognized Nevill at the Maida Vale flat during one of the bouts of psychoses she was miraculously transformed according to witnesses.

That's exactly how schizophrenics are,Steve. Until her father " let her down " over his agreement of the twins future.! Then the tables turned.He wasn't any longer the person she felt safe with,,he was on " their side " and not hers.

[Steve_uk]

That's exactly how schizophrenics are,Steve. Until her father " let her down " over his agreement of the twins future.! Then the tables turned.He wasn't any longer the person she felt safe with,,he was on " their side " and not hers.

It would be out of character for someone who talked to Sheila for hours on the telephone in an attempt to reassure her suddenly on Tuesday night became high-handed about his daughter's parenting skills,when a few hours later all were dead meaning we only have Jeremy's word for what pertained on that fateful evening.

[Steve_uk]

So how the HELL could Jeremy possibly have shot her in the neck from a standing position if she was where Steve SAID she was. However, and THANKYOU Steve for it, when I imagine Jeremy getting close enough to a living person to AMOST touch them with the rifle before pulling the trigger, and witnessing the fear in their eyes, I'm UTTERLY convinced he didn't do it.

Jeremy could have led her by the hand from her bedroom with a story that there were intruders in the house and then shot her as she lay down in the master bedroom. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[Jane]

It would be out of character for someone who talked to Sheila for hours on the telephone in an attempt to reassure her suddenly on Tuesday night became high-handed about his daughter's parenting skills,when a few hours later all were dead meaning we only have Jeremy's word for what pertained on that fateful evening.

Have you taken a look at WHY Nevill may have changed tack? A few days of Sheila taking little/NO responsibility for the twins, taking no interest in helping June in the house, MAY have had some bearing on it.