Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[Roch]

Hi Roch  

You are so right why should anyone decide who's bloodied prints they are...this should have been decided in 1986......as you say by a jury.

 

Hi Patti, forensics would decide who's print/s they were.  Jury would decide how they got there - innocent transferance or (if jury been properly informed) by way of tragic act of murder / suicide.  It seems to me that what has happened is that the ability to decide either way has been removed, for the purposes of preventing such a decision from taking place (due to the high risk that the jury would be completely at odds with Steve UK).  Do you agree?

[Steve_uk]

Steve.  You are conceding that the print is not from Jeremy and is from Sheila - just thought I would point that out.  Steve, regarding the number of ways you suggest how Sheila's print (or whoever's print it actually is) could have gotten on to the bible... 

Don't you think it should have been for a jury to decide? Why should it be you 28 years after the fact, who casually decides that the print got there via some kind of innocent transferance?

But I don't see it matters Roch on what pretext Jeremy led Sheila into the master bedroom and got her to lie down,ostensibly because there were intruders or her parents wanted a word with her. Of far more significance is that the Defence can't tie Sheila to shooting any weapon that morning,however hard in the past Jeremy had tried to interest her in the sport.

[Patti]

Hi Patti, forensics would decide who's print/s they were.  Jury would decide how they got there - innocent transferance or (if jury been properly informed) by way of tragic act of murder / suicide.  It seems to me that what has happened is that the ability to decide either way has been removed, for the purposes of preventing such a decision from taking place (due to the high risk that the jury would be completely at odds with Steve UK).  Do you agree?

You have it in a nutshell Roch and I totally agree.  The jury was totally mislead...I wish wish wish there could be a re-trial......let them slog it out. I know who would win. 

[Jane]

But I don't see it matters Roch on what pretext Jeremy led Sheila into the master bedroom and got her to lie down,ostensibly because there were intruders or her parents wanted a word with her. Of far more significance is that the Defence can't tie Sheila to shooting any weapon that morning,however hard in the past Jeremy had tried to interest her in the sport.

So who was the person the police undoubtedly DID see when Jeremy was standing beside them?

[Patti]

But I don't see it matters Roch on what pretext Jeremy led Sheila into the master bedroom and got her to lie down,ostensibly because there were intruders or her parents wanted a word with her. Of far more significance is that the Defence can't tie Sheila to shooting any weapon that morning,however hard in the past Jeremy had tried to interest her in the sport.

A jury would not believe that and nor would any reasonably minded person...It too far fetched and ridiculous Steve, come on man....

[Steve_uk]

So who was the person the police undoubtedly DID see when Jeremy was standing beside them?

But they didn't see anyone. It was a trick of the light,which makes far more sense if all the lights were on.

[Caroline R]

But I don't see it matters Roch on what pretext Jeremy led Sheila into the master bedroom and got her to lie down,ostensibly because there were intruders or her parents wanted a word with her. Of far more significance is that the Defence can't tie Sheila to shooting any weapon that morning,however hard in the past Jeremy had tried to interest her in the sport.

You're missing something Steve, if that IS Sheila's print (and can't be Jeremy's), why was it reported that her hands were clean? Clearly, they couldn't have been!! Why the deception?? Oh and Jeremy can't be tied to shooting any weapon either!!

[Jane]

But they didn't see anyone. It was a trick of the light,which makes far more sense if all the lights were on.

Steve, science is NOT my strong point but I dearly love to know how light can play tricks when ALL lights are on.

[lookout]

Unidentified Male "White House Farm " was what was logged as having been seen up at the window,,entered by Myall

[Steve_uk]

You're missing something Steve, if that IS Sheila's print (and can't be Jeremy's), why was it reported that her hands were clean? Clearly, they couldn't have been!! Why the deception?? Oh and Jeremy can't be tied to shooting any weapon either!!

I don't know whether dogs can sniff beneath wetsuits. Sheila's hands were described as if they had been manicured. Jeremy had specks of blood on some his garments,but I don't know whether there were any pictures of the underside of Sheila's hands.

[Caroline R]

I don't know whether dogs can sniff beneath wetsuits. Sheila's hands were described as if they had been manicured. Jeremy had specks of blood on some his garments,but I don't know whether there were any pictures of the underside of Sheila's hands.

Eh? What dogs?? Are you suggesting he was still wearing the wetsuit when he was outside WHF awaiting for the raid team to make their move??  . AND if that is Sheila' hand print (and it can't be Jeremy's) she would most definitely have had blood on at least one of her hands!! You can see blood on the ball of her hand for goodness sake!!

[tyler]

Haha Caroline,your response to Steve made me roar with laughter. My daughter is giving me very strange looks! And Loookout,Myall spotted unident male in Pages Lane and not in the farmhouse (according to his log)

[Roch]

Sheila's hands were described as if they had been manicured... I don't know whether there were any pictures of the underside of Sheila's hands.

Steve, I think we have come to an impasse.  It's clear the there are no bloodied fingerprints belonging to Jeremy Bamber and no bloodied palm print belonging to Jeremy Bamber upon the bible that was found / placed / deposited by sweeping door on Sheila's arm. 

You yourself are posting as if you are of the opinion that the palm print is Sheila's palm print.  If the prosecution's case is that Sheila's' palms were blood free, do you not think it an uncanny coincidence, that she is now heavily in the frame for a bloodied palm print that was hidden from the defence / jury, yet there are also no photographs available of her palms?

You could of course choose to argue that this is June's palm print on a bible that was then placed upon Sheila?

[Steve_uk]

Eh? What dogs?? Are you suggesting he was still wearing the wetsuit when he was outside WHF awaiting for the raid team to make their move??  . AND if that is Sheila' hand print (and it can't be Jeremy's) she would most definitely have had blood on at least one of her hands!! You can see blood on the ball of her hand for goodness sake!!

You are speculating which is your right,but Jeremy could have left the crime scene any way he wanted it which puts an air of doubt into your arguments. As far as I know the wetsuit was never tested for gun residue,and I don't know whether a good scrubbing in the shower would remove traces of it once the wetsuit was removed and several layers of new clothing worn.

[Caroline R]

Haha Caroline,your response to Steve made me roar with laughter. My daughter is giving me very strange looks! And Loookout,Myall spotted unident male in Pages Lane and not in the farmhouse (according to his log)

It just beggars belief sometimes. With a wetsuit and the two jumpers - he's have fainted never mind just throwing up. I also laughed when I read Steve's answer but sometimes, that's par for the course