Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[maggie]

Hi Maggie, he may not have been hiding under the bed the whole time??

That's true but he was upstairs, is the main bedroom above the kitchen? I'm not a dog person like yourself Caroline, how loud would a dog like Crispy whimper, bark? 

[maggie]

WOW Maggie!!!! That's BRILLIANT!!! You're really sharp tonight....................Just wait till Killjoy UK tries to demolish it

Love the name april 
Definitely not sharp april am half asleep, would crispy be heard from an upstairs bedroom, also as Caroline said he may have only hidden under the bed when they battered the door down??

[susan]

Hi Maggie  had Ralph been killed first June would have got further than she did in the bedroom because had she still been alive she would have heard the shots in the stairs and kitchen whereas it appears she was still in bed when she was shot.  Think Ralph was last to die If Ralph went downstairs on hearing Sheila could she have got upstairs via another stairs.

[susan]

Ha Ha april Killjoy uk I love it wonder if he will be amused I think not.

[Jane]

Love the name april 
Definitely not sharp april am half asleep, would crispy be heard from an upstairs bedroom, also as Caroline said he may have only hidden under the bed when they battered the door down??

Maggie, I'm not a dog person either so I can't be certain WHAT a dog would do under those terrible circumstances. I have a friend who puts her dogs in the large cages in which they sleep when she has to leave them, which isn't often. If she doesn't they bite the furniture. When a neighbour's daughter bought her puppy over, she would leave it in the house while she and her mother shopped. It HOWLED the whole time. They couldn't have known because they weren't there!!! so I thought it best to mention it and they made other arrangements............but it was only a puppy and it was lonely.

[Caroline R]

That's true but he was upstairs, is the main bedroom above the kitchen? I'm not a dog person like yourself Caroline, how loud would a dog like Crispy whimper, bark?

I'd imagine it would be a pretty high pitched yap - Alfie is more of a baritone 

[susan]

april  the poor doggie would be terrified and would bark I suspect very loudly.  Maybe the doggie was still in the kitchen and it would be heard barking over the phone left off the hook on the work surface then when the raid team started battering the door down it would have shot upstairs and hid under the bed poor little thing.

[Jane]

april  the poor doggie would be terrified and would bark I suspect very loudly.  Maybe the doggie was still in the kitchen and it would be heard barking over the phone left off the hook on the work surface then when the raid team started battering the door down it would have shot upstairs and hid under the bed poor little thing.

Susan, I think I should stick to human psychology

[Steve_uk]

I believe Steve insists that Jeremy crept into his parents room to remove said phone so they couldn't call for help when he arrived on a bike, in a wetsuit, complete with Marigolds, to shoot them. OH YES, silly me, nearly forgot the fake tan so they wouldn't recognize him.

But there wasn't a telephone in the master bedroom,which is suspicious. As for the bible,it proves nothing if Sheila's bloodied palm print was on it. It could have got there in a number of ways,including Sheila coming into the bedroom at Jeremy's behest not knowing what was going on,lying down in the corner with it and blood deposited there between the first and second shots as she raised her hand to her neck to stop the blood flow.

[Jane]

But there wasn't a telephone in the master bedroom,which is suspicious. As for the bible,it proves nothing if Sheila's bloodied palm print was on it. It could have got there in a number of ways,including Sheila coming into the bedroom at Jeremy's behest not knowing what was going on,lying down in the corner with it and blood deposited there between the first and second shots as she raised her had to her neck to stop the blood flow.

And why, pray tell, would she lay on the floor, reading a Bible, when there was a bed she could have laid on..................and why would she follow a man wearing a wetsuit, Marigolds and orange fake tan? She was mentally ill. not STUPID.

[Steve_uk]

And why, pray tell, would she lay on the floor, reading a Bible, when there was a bed she could have laid on..................and why would she follow a man wearing a wetsuit, Marigolds and orange fake tan? She was mentally ill. not STUPID.

But Sheila wasn't fully aware of her environment those last few days. It's why Jeremy told Julie he had committed a foolproof crime,and why he hasn't confessed after 28 years,because there's not one definitive piece of evidence which can tie him to it,though a huge weight of circumstantial evidence.

[Jane]

But Sheila wasn't fully aware of her environment those last few days. It's why Jeremy told Julie he had committed a foolproof crime,and why he hasn't confessed after 28 years,because there's not one definitive piece of evidence which can tie him to it,though a huge weight of circumstantial evidence.

 Since when did you arrive at the conclusion that "Sheila wasn't fully aware of her environment.............."  As she had but recently been sitting at table with her parents and MAY at some point have been laying on/in a bed, we must assume that she was still capable of telling the difference between a bed and a hard place............and where is it stated, and by whom, that Jeremy told Julie that he'd committed a foolproof crime?

[Roch]

As for the bible,it proves nothing if Sheila's bloodied palm print was on it. It could have got there in a number of ways...

Steve.  You are conceding that the print is not from Jeremy and is from Sheila - just thought I would point that out.  Steve, regarding the number of ways you suggest how Sheila's print (or whoever's print it actually is) could have gotten on to the bible... 

Don't you think it should have been for a jury to decide? Why should it be you 28 years after the fact, who casually decides that the print got there via some kind of innocent transferance?

[Patti]

Steve.  You are conceding that the print is not from Jeremy and is from Sheila - just thought I would point that out.  Steve, regarding the number of ways you suggest how Sheila's print (or whoever's print it actuallly is) could have gotten on to the bible... 

Don't you think it should have been for a jury to decide? Why should it be you 28 years after the fact, who casually decides that the print got there via some kind of innocent transferance?

Hi Roch  

You are so right why should anyone decide who's bloodied prints they are...this should have been decided in 1986......as you say by a jury.

 

[Steve_uk]

 Since when did you arrive at the conclusion that "Sheila wasn't fully aware of her environment.............."  As she had but recently been sitting at table with her parents and MAY at some point have been laying on/in a bed, we must assume that she was still capable of telling the difference between a bed and a hard place............and where is it stated, and by whom, that Jeremy told Julie that he'd committed a foolproof crime?

It's in Julie's statement. As for Jeremy and Sheila,remember the Christmases past where Sheila would wake her brother and they would both proceed downstairs to eat chocolate under the tree..well this was just a similar scheme but an evil one as Jeremy may have told Sheila that there were intruders in the house and to lie down quietly,all done quickly before Sheila had any time to assess,as her appearance in death suggests she had the look of no physical exertion that morning as would have been the case were the Defence's argument to be a correct one.