Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[ngb1066]

Well I would, except that..

..the part in red appears to indicate that the only dishonesty involved was in relation to fiddling his overtime, and that the evidence Hammersley gave otherwise is not in issue, so I think it's a legitimate question to ask.

It went beyond this.  It was not just timings, but also actions. 

[Caroline R]

Well I would, except that..

..the part in red appears to indicate that the only dishonesty involved was in relation to fiddling his overtime, and that the evidence Hammersley gave otherwise is not in issue, so I think it's a legitimate question to ask.

It seems like you're pushing NGB to answer a different question or to simply agree with your take on events and dampen down the significance. He has stated that he is not able to give the full details and as you were happy to accept that from Vic - so, you should (IMO) give NGB the same consideration.

[Bridget]

I understand that you want me to post all I know about this but I have gone as far as I feel able to go at this stage.  Frankly I would be inclined to publish everything because I do not believe it would do any harm to the prospects of securing a further appeal.  However, others take a different view.

 

I do understand your position, but don't ask don't get!

It went beyond this.  It was not just timings, but also actions. 

Well whatever those actions were or weren't, unless the new information shows he wasn't there at all he would have been in a position to see and give evidence about the state of Sheila's hands.

[Bridget]

It seems like you're pushing NGB to answer a different question or to simply agree with your take on events and dampen down the significance. He has stated that he is not able to give the full details and as you were happy to accept that from Vic - so, you should (IMO) give NGB the same consideration.

If he wants me to do one, he's more than able to tell me himself.

[Caroline R]

If he wants me to do one, he's more than able to tell me himself.

I think he kinda did!! 

[Bridget]

I think he kinda did!! 

Well here's a prediction for you. If whatever is behind this ever sees the light of day I reckon that all it will show is that Hammersley fiddled his overtime. What the 'actions' are I have no idea but it won't relate to the bagging of Sheila's hands.

[tyler]

And Sheila had huge feet so probably had huge hands

That reminds me, Tyler if you're around, how wide is the bible? I think I found one on eBay and the width was given as 5 1/4 inches, when I scaled the photo up to that size the print was a pretty good match for mine.

Hiya Bridget.Bible is 22cm long,well 21 and a half to be totally exact. It is 13cm wide and3cm thick.

Regarding Hammersley,don't forget that he was investigated by COLP over something that he "didnt discover". Maybe he "didnt discover" this something as he wasnt there at that time but his name has been attributed to it? Whoever bagged Sheilas hands had never done it before and I am sure I read somewhere that it was not done correctly. How long had Hammersley been a detective? If he had been for many years,its likely that he had done it before?

[jon]

Hiya Bridget.Bible is 22cm long,well 21 and a half to be totally exact. It is 13cm wide and3cm thick.

Regarding Hammersley,don't forget that he was investigated by COLP over something that he "didnt discover". Maybe he "didnt discover" this something as he wasnt there at that time but his name has been attributed to it? Whoever bagged Sheilas hands had never done it before and I am sure I read somewhere that it was not done correctly. How long had Hammersley been a detective? If he had been for many years,its likely that he had done it before?

Does anybody know , when Hammersley retired ?, i think Campion posted a piece in the EP newspaper given details , can somebody post it ?

[jon]

OMG!!! What can I say!!!  JON, HUMBLE AND ABJECT APOLOGIES.

My fault April , tried to do it in different color's , could not quite carry it off !!

[maggie]

Does anybody know , when Hammersley retired ?, i think Campion posted a piece in the EP newspaper given details , can somebody post it ?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3503.msg138644.html#msg138644
This is all I can find jon. 

[Patti]

No, but I know how big those paperback bibles usually are and the stain only fills the top corner. I used a foolscap book and my hands are pretty small. I'd say the two (stains) were of a similar size unless the bible turns out to be humongous!! 

Good thing I don't tell you either!!   

Hi Caroline

Could you upload the images from the foolscap book? It would be interesting to see it...

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline

Could you upload the images from the foolscap book? It would be interesting to see it...

It's here Patti http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4295.msg175756.html#msg175756

 

[Patti]

It's here Patti http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4295.msg175756.html#msg175756

 

Blinkin Heck! Hey it really does look very similar....I think the relatives have the bible. I'm sure AE tells you this in the 1991 COLP statement.  Can't somebody in the campaign team or his defence team request it?  I do know that Fletcher said when he tried looking for prints from Jeremy on the rifle his indents/ridges were very deep, so would have been easy to identify, but he never found any...Good experiment Caroline...Brilliant! 

[Caroline R]

Blinkin Heck! Hey it really does look very similar....I think the relatives have the bible. I'm sure AE tells you this in the 1991 COLP statement.  Can't somebody in the campaign team or his defence team request it?  I do know that Fletcher said when he tried looking for prints from Jeremy on the rifle his indents/ridges were very deep, so would have been easy to identify, but he never found any...Good experiment Caroline...Brilliant! 

Thanks Patti  . Yes, it was given back to the family. I'm sure they could request it and may have done - hopefully, it still exists or there are higher res pictures f it. 

[maggie]

Blinkin Heck! Hey it really does look very similar....I think the relatives have the bible. I'm sure AE tells you this in the 1991 COLP statement.  Can't somebody in the campaign team or his defence team request it?  I do know that Fletcher said when he tried looking for prints from Jeremy on the rifle his indents/ridges were very deep, so would have been easy to identify, but he never found any...Good experiment Caroline...Brilliant! 

It s brilliant, isn't it Patti? It's a really convincing likeness imo.