Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[Caroline R]

Curiouser and curiouser All these years we have been lead to believe that there was a panic button installed to protect Nevill from threats being carried out by Disgruntled Person. We have posters telling us how Jeremy triggered it to test police response time and to calculate the timings of the murders. We have a family member telling us it was there and Nevill was trying to reach it THEN we have that same family member telling us that another family member told him that there was NO alarm fitted intil AFTER the murders (although I must admit to wondering where the sense would be in fitting a panic alarm to protect someone already deceased) and then YOU come along, Jon and tell us it's all ballcocks!!! The panic alarm was installed PRIOR to the murders and we should therefore "MOVE ON"!!!! Well, before we can, it would be helpful to know WHOSE "truth" can we accept as being "THE" truth. lol :D

Hi April, Jon isn't saying there was a PB, the quote you quotes was a copy and paste from one of Vic's posts.

[Caroline R]

I think the fact that so many different theories can surround a single bloodstain is an indication of the difficulty that either side would have in claiming it as evidence to support their position.

Out of interest, how convinced are people that it is a palm print? I'm probably about 70% that it is.

99.9% sure and the same for Hammersley not being at the scene!

[susan]

Hello Caroline  thank you for explaining Jon's post I was somewhat perplexed by it to say the least

[lookout]

I think the fact that so many different theories can surround a single bloodstain is an indication of the difficulty that either side would have in claiming it as evidence to support their position.

Out of interest, how convinced are people that it is a palm print? I'm probably about 70% that it is.

Why,,Bridget,,,what other part of the anatomy do you think it is,,apart from the hand,,or possibly the heel,,where there's enough " lightish " pressure to raise an imprint.? 

[Jane]

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Hi April, Jon isn't saying there was a PB, the quote you quotes was a copy and paste from one of Vic's posts.

OMG!!! What can I say!!!  JON, HUMBLE AND ABJECT APOLOGIES.

[Jane]

Hello Caroline  thank you for explaining Jon's post I was somewhat perplexed by it to say the least

Susan, might that mean that my brain hasn't gone AWHOL?

[Bridget]

Why,,Bridget,,,what other part of the anatomy do you think it is,,apart from the hand,,or possibly the heel,,where there's enough " lightish " pressure to raise an imprint.? 

I wasnt thinking it was another part of anyone's anatomy specifically, just that it could be a smudge that looks like a palm print but isn't.

[Bridget]

99.9% sure and the same for Hammersley not being at the scene!

Fair enough, but if there is such strong evidence that he wasn't there why has this not formed a ground for appeal? For a start, if he wasn't there he did not bag Sheila's hands and he did not take possession of the 25 odd other exhibits found that day, which includes most of the bullet cases. It would also damage the evidence of other officers at the scene that day who stated he was there, one of whom I think was Bird who took the pictures.

[ngb1066]

Fair enough, but if there is such strong evidence that he wasn't there why has this not formed a ground for appeal? For a start, if he wasn't there he did not bag Sheila's hands and he did not take possession of the 25 odd other exhibits found that day, which includes most of the bullet cases. It would also damage the evidence of other officers at the scene that day who stated he was there, one of whom I think was Bird who took the pictures.

It was not discovered until after the final submissions to the CCRC had been made.  It may well form part of further submissions.

[Alias]

I think the fact that so many different theories can surround a single bloodstain is an indication of the difficulty that either side would have in claiming it as evidence to support their position.

Out of interest, how convinced are people that it is a palm print? I'm probably about 70% that it is.

95%. I find it very likely. I also find it very likely to belong to Sheila.

[susan]

Hello april don't worry your brain is fine as is mine which is quite a surprise

[maggie]

Susan, might that mean that my brain hasn't gone AWHOL?

Hi April/Susie, I was thrown into confusion too.  I wondered what on earth jon was saying...he had seen the panic alarm.......  All is explained now, sorry jon, thanks Caroline 

[maggie]

Out of interest, how convinced are people that it is a palm print? I'm probably about 70% that it is.

  I would say 97% ish as I have to allow for the idiosyncrasies and manipulation of this case but the comparison with Caroline's paint print is startling in it's similarity imo.  Sheila had slim bones so even if her hands and fingers were long like her toes they would be slim imo.

[Bridget]

It was not discovered until after the final submissions to the CCRC had been made.  It may well form part of further submissions.

It may? If there were proof that Hammersley's statements are complete fiction and Bird, Davison and (I think) Cook had lied in theirs surely that would be a definite.

[jim ignatowski]

It was not discovered until after the final submissions to the CCRC had been made.  It may well form part of further submissions.

Hi ngb
JB is, of course, entitled to make as many "further submissions" as he sees fit but is it seriously to be contended as an additional /new ground of appeal that one police officer whose unchallenged (and presumably corroborated) evidence was that he was present at the scene wasn't in fact at the scene?
This is a complete non-starter and smacks of complete and utter desperation on JB's part and I cannot believe that it will be even raised before the CCRC!!
jim