Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[susan]

Morning Mat

you must have missed the post where Vic said a member of the family phoned him to tell him the information he was posting was incorrect with regard the panic button it was not in situ prior to the murders Anne and Peter thought Ralph was trying to reach the panic button on the night of the murders due to the area where the watch was found.Think Vic had read this somewhere and got mixed up as we all do as to where the information came from.  We all thought it was very magnanimous of Vic to apologise to Caroline over this issue and proves just what an honest man he is.  Jeremy was telling the truth on this occasion.

[maggie]

Morning Mat
you must have missed the post where Vic said a member of the family phoned him to tell him the information he was posting was incorrect with regard the panic button it was not in situ prior to the murders Anne and Peter thought Ralph was trying to reach the panic button on the night of the murders due to the area where the watch was found.Think Vic had read this somewhere and got mixed up as we all do as to where the information came from.  We all thought it was very magnanimous of Vic to apologise to Caroline over this issue and proves just what an honest man he is.  Jeremy was telling the truth on this occasion.

Hi susie I have to agree I was under the impression the subject of the panic button had
 been discussed and accepted by all concerned. I would have thought what Caroline deserved was congratulations for seeking out the truth??

[Jane]

Hi susie I have to agree I was under the impression the subject of the panic button had
 been discussed and accepted by all concerned. I would have thought what Caroline deserved was congratulations for seeking out the truth??

Maggie/Susan, ' morning girls I'd just like to add my own congratulations to Caroline along with yours. She has done really stirling work whether we agree/disagree with her findings but I guess there will always be some who find it hard to give praise where it's due.

[Caroline R]

Thanks ladies, if nothing else, it's something new to consider.

[killingeve]

Hi susie I have to agree I was under the impression the subject of the panic button had
 been discussed and accepted by all concerned. I would have thought what Caroline deserved was congratulations for seeking out the truth??

Morning Maggie

I have always been skeptical about this panic button as the only place I've seen it mentioned is on the forum.  Certainly needs checking out to the nth degree though 

[jon]

Vic won't explain it because to do so would betray a confidence. I don't think it would betray a confidence though, if I say that Vic conflated two issues. The relatives believe that Neville was trying to reach something (which I'm not going to mention), Vic conflated that with the panic button issue.

It was the relatives who pointed out his mistake.

I have no documents to say it was active (none of us have do) but I have read somewhere that it was mentioned at trial and is mentioned in at least one of the books. I have personally seen it and can tell you that Peter and Ann believe that Nevill was trying to get to it because of the positioning of his watch. I don't believe Peter and Ann would make up that story for the hell of it so that is why I firmly believe it was active before the murders.

I find it hard to believe Vidvic's version of event's , after he claimed this !!

[maggie]

Morning Maggie

I have always been skeptical about this panic button as the only place I've seen it mentioned is on the forum.  Certainly needs checking out to the nth degree though 

I agree its only ever been mentioned on this forum ......originally it came from the family
 via Vic who now has apologised, has said it was a misunderstanding  by  him and the button was fitted after the murders as stated by Jeremy....so he doesn't always lie 
As far as I'm concerned the riddle of the panic button is solved.

[jon]

I have no documents to say it was active (none of us have do) but I have read somewhere that it was mentioned at trial and is mentioned in at least one of the books. I have personally seen it and can tell you that Peter and Ann believe that Nevill was trying to get to it because of the positioning of his watch. I don't believe Peter and Ann would make up that story for the hell of it so that is why I firmly believe it was active before the murders.

I find it hard to believe Vidvic's version of event's , after he claimed this !!

Or this
I have to say that I find it very frustrating when known facts, like the installation of the panic button, written about and accepted as fact for 28 years, installed because of the threats made against Nevill in his work as a magistrate are now suddenly NOT accepted. Even Mike has talked about it and claimed the button was in the bedroom, which it wasn't, and I've never even seen bamber claim it wasn't there!! It was. Accept it. Move on.... lol

[Jane]

Or this
I have to say that I find it very frustrating when known facts, like the installation of the panic button, written about and accepted as fact for 28 years, installed because of the threats made against Nevill in his work as a magistrate are now suddenly NOT accepted. Even Mike has talked about it and claimed the button was in the bedroom, which it wasn't, and I've never even seen bamber claim it wasn't there!! It was. Accept it. Move on.... lol

Curiouser and curiouser All these years we have been lead to believe that there was a panic button installed to protect Nevill from threats being carried out by Disgruntled Person. We have posters telling us how Jeremy triggered it to test police response time and to calculate the timings of the murders. We have a family member telling us it was there and Nevill was trying to reach it THEN we have that same family member telling us that another family member told him that there was NO alarm fitted intil AFTER the murders (although I must admit to wondering where the sense would be in fitting a panic alarm to protect someone already deceased) and then YOU come along, Jon and tell us it's all ballcocks!!! The panic alarm was installed PRIOR to the murders and we should therefore "MOVE ON"!!!! Well, before we can, it would be helpful to know WHOSE "truth" can we accept as being "THE" truth. lol :D

[Roch]

I'm not really falling into this whole debate too deeply because it seems a bit flawed to me, but even if it was Sheila's palm print (If it even is a palm print) - it proves nothing. What's to say Bamber didn't do it using Sheilas hand after the first shot, to show she moved after that first shot and was capable of firing the second.

But then again - for this to be Sheila's palm print you have to ignore and bend over evidence.

I was wondering how long it would take before somebody attributed the potential Sheila palm print as being the work of Jeremy Bamber. 

[Jane]

I was wondering how long it would take before somebody attributed the potential Sheila palm print as being the work of Jeremy Bamber.

Roch, I think you'll find that Steve already did

[maggie]

I was wondering how long it would take before somebody attributed the potential Sheila palm print as being the work of Jeremy Bamber.

Hahaha Roch, anyone know if Jeremy has hands like a girl?  If he has he couldn't possibly have loaded the gun.

[Bridget]

I was wondering how long it would take before somebody attributed the potential Sheila palm print as being the work of Jeremy Bamber.

I think the fact that so many different theories can surround a single bloodstain is an indication of the difficulty that either side would have in claiming it as evidence to support their position.

Out of interest, how convinced are people that it is a palm print? I'm probably about 70% that it is.

[Bridget]

Hahaha Roch, anyone know if Jeremy has hands like a girl?  If he has he couldn't possibly have loaded the gun.

And Sheila had huge feet so probably had huge hands

That reminds me, Tyler if you're around, how wide is the bible? I think I found one on eBay and the width was given as 5 1/4 inches, when I scaled the photo up to that size the print was a pretty good match for mine.

[lookout]

And Sheila had huge feet so probably had huge hands

That reminds me, Tyler if you're around, how wide is the bible? I think I found one on eBay and the width was given as 5 1/4 inches, when I scaled the photo up to that size the print was a pretty good match for mine.

I've got big hands,,,but on the scale of things,,,the imprint is smaller than my hand. ( size 7 gloves-me )