I was thinking about the scratch marks under the Aga shelf

[Alias]

He told Colin that first morning at Bourtree Cottage. Colin immediately saw it for the lie that it was. It will be in that first statement of Jeremy's.

That is strange, because as far as I remember, the day-care arrangement that had been in place previously had worked well for Colin as well as for Sheila and the twins. I don´t understand Colin´s surprise. Isn´t there some mix up in the term "foster-care" - what did Jeremy know about that - and as if he cared, he was a young man with other things on his mind than forster care of kids. HE might have misunderstood the conversation around the dinner table.
As for Jeremy being "lucky" that he didn´t lie about Sheila´s mood because of the conversation later with aunt Pam - Jeremy couldn´t have known about that, he had left the farm at the time of the call, hadn´t he?
Bottom line: he didn´t lie.

[Bridget]

So you still refuse to accept that Sheila's withdrawn state was a classic  sign of a pending psychotic attack?

Well I certainly do, I accept that it could have been, but not that it was.

[maggie]

Well I certainly do, I accept that it could have been, but not that it was.

ok I shall revise that post.
Steve Will you still not concede that Sheila's withdrawn state the evening before the murders was possibly due to an impending psychotic event. This is a classic sign of an event which used to be known as a 'brainstorm'.....the calm before the storm.

[tyler]

Vidvic,you are in actual fact very wrong. Colin did NOT have custody of the twins. He and Sheila had SHARED custody. Colin was attempting to seek full custody at the time of the murders. He asked for Nevilles back up in this aspect in the letter he wrote to Neville,but never sent. It appears obvious that June was not happy with the arrangement that Colin cared for the twins most of the time. She told Colins mother that she was worried that the children would end up in foster care. Maybe June reiterated this fear to Sheila on the night of the murders? As in,if you don't help us to help you get better,then we could lose the boys. I feel that it was more a discussion than an argument that night. The Bambers knew that Sheila was deteriorating and were probably deciding what to do for the best,throwing ideas around. June told Pam over the phone that she would like her advice,the next day when June and Sheila were due to visit with her.

[killingeve]

Yes only weeks before the tragedy June discussed with Colin's mother her fears of losing the twins to foster care.  Whether this was a real fear or June attempting to use it to gain some control I would not like to say.  How would SC have interpreted this if June shared her fears/worries about the twins being lost to foster care?  Coupled with the fact that June discussed with PB on the phone about encouraging Sheila to take a holiday in a 'home' in Bournemouth.  No mention of the twins being included in this arrangement?  Perhaps Sheila interpreted this as getting her out of the way and June making 'arrangements' for the twins.  Bearing in mind both these women suffered from serious mental illness.

[Steve_uk]

ok I shall revise that post.
Steve Will you still not concede that Sheila's withdrawn state the evening before the murders was possibly due to an impending psychotic event. This is a classic sign of an event which used to be known as a 'brainstorm'.....the calm before the storm.

No because the Haloperidol was still in her system at the autopsy thus giving rise to her vacant state.

[maggie]

No because the Haloperidol was still in her system at the autopsy thus giving rise to her vacant state.

That is not so herr dose of Haloperidol had been hugely and dangerously reduced well bdfore this time, the fact thrre were traces in her body is not surprising but may very well have not been enough to control psychosis..  Severe withdrawal of Haloperidol is extremely dangerous and can lead to severe psychotic event.......fact..... so surely you should at least acknowledge this as a possibility??

[Steve_uk]

That is not so herr dose of Haloperidol had been hugely and dangerously reduced well bdfore this time, the fact thrre were traces in her body is not surprising but may very well have not been enough to control psychosis..  Severe withdrawal of Haloperidol is extremely dangerous and can lead to severe psychotic event.......fact..... so surely you should at least acknowledge this as a possibility??

Well Sheila in psychosis had never been vindictive in the past,and as Columbo used to say when people had a habit of behaving one way in life and suddenly do something out of character after death he begins to wonder..

[lookout]

Sheila was so vindictive one night that it took 3 doctors to calm her down.Freddie was traumatised by it.
Never underestimate the psychosis of a mentally disturbed person,,,whose medication had also been decreased to leave her in a dangerous condition.

[maggie]

Well Sheila in psychosis had never been vindictive in the past,and as Columbo used to say when people had a habit of behaving one way in life and suddenly do something out of character after death he begins to wonder..

Well very sadly Steve people in real life who suffer from psychosis ca suddenly behave in a totally different way. Columbo...bless him!......hadn't the faintest idea about real life....something to do with him not being real.??

[Steve_uk]

Guns are not a woman's crime. There was only one incident I can recall with Catherine Murch and there were signs with her just not present in Sheila's case.

[Alias]

Well very sadly Steve people in real life who suffer from psychosis ca suddenly behave in a totally different way. Columbo...bless him!......hadn't the faintest idea about real life....something to do with him not being real.??

LOL

[lookout]

Guns are not a woman's crime. There was only one incident I can recall with Catherine Murch and there were signs with her just not present in Sheila's case.

All cases are different,Steve,,though all boil down to the same thing in the end.Mental illness.