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« Reply #495 on: May 22, 2013, 03:35:PM »
Hi Daniel, maybe we started off on the wrong foot.   ;D  Did you say you were a sudent at Newcastle University? :) :)
Probably Newcastle University pub? ;D

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« Reply #496 on: May 22, 2013, 03:37:PM »
Hi Lugg the fact that Daniel_Day is studying criminology at Winchester University he would have come up with some new exciting takes on the case.  Maybe he is just a first year student.  He has joined the forum with an open mind. ;D

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« Reply #497 on: May 22, 2013, 03:57:PM »
Hi Lugg the fact that Daniel_Day is studying criminology at Winchester University he would have come up with some new exciting takes on the case.  Maybe he is just a first year student.  He has joined the forum with an open mind. ;D
Yes one would at least expect a bit more from him. Remember Jackie told us of the many law students that had joined her twitter page who studied the case and had come to the conclusion that the case as it stood at the trial was a miscarriage of justice. So I am very surprised that Daniel if he is what he says he is has failed to investigate this case properly, but rather has chosen to become an expert from the time he joined the forum and knew very little about the case up til now when suddenly he is an expert so as to think in a contemptuous way about all those who have an opposite view to him?

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« Reply #498 on: May 22, 2013, 04:33:PM »
Yes one would at least expect a bit more from him. Remember Jackie told us of the many law students that had joined her twitter page who studied the case and had come to the conclusion that the case as it stood at the trial was a miscarriage of justice. So I am very surprised that Daniel if he is what he says he is has failed to investigate this case properly, but rather has chosen to become an expert from the time he joined the forum and knew very little about the case up til now when suddenly he is an expert so as to think in a contemptuous way about all those who have an opposite view to him?
I find that extremely judgemental of you Lugg. You do not know me and please stop making snide remarks about me. May I take the time to pick apart the nonsense you have written about me for a second? Where did you get the notion that i consider myself an 'expert' on the case? What right have you to accuse me of saying this? Is it that I happen to have a point of view that is very different to yours?  And what may I ask do you expect from me exactly? New exciting ideas? What? Like yours? Sorry Lugg but I have read alot of your posts and I find nothing in them that is 'new' or 'exciting'
I had to smirk when you said "contemptuous way about all those who have an opposite view to him"
That is exactly what I feel about you. Have a nice day

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« Reply #499 on: May 22, 2013, 04:37:PM »
Enough!!!  Can we debate the posts please and not the person....thank you kindly!

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« Reply #500 on: May 22, 2013, 04:45:PM »
Hi Lugg the fact that Daniel_Day is studying criminology at Winchester University he would have come up with some new exciting takes on the case.  Maybe he is just a first year student.  He has joined the forum with an open mind. ;D
Oh dear.........are we trying to be a little sarcastic?  I am afraid you will have to get over it rather than try to continually make silly comments because I have a point of view diametrically opposed to yours. What should I actually look for in your posts Susan that will help me with the case?
I would absolutely love to know what you consider to be 'exciting new takes' since in 27 years there doesn't seem to have been any. Do you think that was a fair thing to ask me Susan? Maybe you also have an 'open mind' ;D

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« Reply #501 on: May 22, 2013, 04:47:PM »
Daniel,,did you say you were at Newcastle Uni.?

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« Reply #502 on: May 22, 2013, 04:49:PM »
Enough!!!  Can we debate the posts please and not the person....thank you kindly!
I will be most impressed if that was NOT directed solely at me.

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« Reply #503 on: May 22, 2013, 04:52:PM »
Daniel,,did you say you were at Newcastle Uni.?
No I am at King Alfred's Winchester Lookout. It is a great university and has a good academic library.
I am a 2nd year here.

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« Reply #504 on: May 22, 2013, 04:55:PM »
I will be most impressed if that was NOT directed solely at me.

Hi Daniel

I tell it how I see it and it appears this thread is going off topic.  Alls I am asking is that we get back on track. My post is designed for any that read it...I'd appreciate it if we could adhere to the topic.  Tis not a tall order, its a request... ;) :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #505 on: May 22, 2013, 04:56:PM »
No I am at King Alfred's Winchester Lookout. It is a great university and has a good academic library.
I am a 2nd year here.


Oh,,okay,Daniel. It was just that a friend of mine got her Masters from Newcastle and that's where I thought you were.

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« Reply #506 on: May 22, 2013, 04:58:PM »
Hello april

I have stopped reading Daniel's posts as he does not appear to be offering anything constructive about the case.  He is entitled to his opinions and to express them as he thinks fit but I am not obliged to read them. ;D
No nothing really..............just like your posts.

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« Reply #507 on: May 22, 2013, 05:06:PM »
Hi Daniel

I tell it how I see it and it appears this thread is going off topic.  Alls I am asking is that we get back on track. My post is designed for any that read it...I'd appreciate it if we could adhere to the topic.  Tis not a tall order, its a request... ;) :) :) :) :)
Patti, I know you mean well but I am saddened and frustrated by the sniping I am receiving from people like April and Lugg. What am I supposed to do? It's like being in a school playground where the kids are ganging up. I am utterly disgusted. All I wanted to do was debate. My opinion is different to theirs and I know they find that difficult to deal with. Fine if they have a go at my opinions but they are getting personal - especially' Lugg' whom I distrust and dislike and want nothing whatsoever to do with, as the only words he has exchanged with me are derogatory and demeaning. Can you kindly ask him to leave me alone?

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« Reply #508 on: May 22, 2013, 05:15:PM »
No I am at King Alfred's Winchester Lookout. It is a great university and has a good academic library.
I am a 2nd year here.


Daniel, I believe criminology to be the science of the nature, extent and causes of crimes. It is, I believe linked to the interdisciplinary field of behavioural sciences and draws on psychological research. I would be delighted for you to share some of this knowledge with us but thus far all I've gleaned from you is that you think we are wrong about Jeremy being innocent. Perhaps if you offered us a scenario we could discuss it.

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« Reply #509 on: May 22, 2013, 05:45:PM »

Daniel, I believe criminology to be the science of the nature, extent and causes of crimes. It is, I believe linked to the interdisciplinary field of behavioural sciences and draws on psychological research. I would be delighted for you to share some of this knowledge with us but thus far all I've gleaned from you is that you think we are wrong about Jeremy being innocent. Perhaps if you offered us a scenario we could discuss it.
Quite correct April. Criminology is indeed the study of crime and its prevention, including examination of the environmental, hereditary, or psychological causes of crime. I also study behavioural science and the links from behaviour, deviant or otherwise to the above.
What drew me to this case was the psychological aspects of this crime which I saw were twofold - If you take the view that Sheila committed the crime then what aspects of schizophrenia were missed by her doctors? Was that terrible night only the result of her neglecting to take her medication? or were there other reasons involved? As a full-blown mental ilness would she have been committed if she survived and was arrested for this crime?
Equally, Jeremy Bamber has been suspected of being a psychopath. A life-long personality disorder that if true, would almost certainly prove him capable of committing a crime of this callousness and magnitude. If he is guilty - and I do believe he is - it would explain why he could act so casually after the murders. The callousness - if that's what it was - is a key feature of psychopathy as is lack of empathy but most telling of all, highly manipulative, a lack of conscience and a complete inability to take responsibility for their own actions. What is surprising, is that psychopathy, is not as rare as one would first think - 1 in 10 are thought to have psychopathic tendencies, but only 1 in 100 display 'high end' psychopathy. These will murder without compunction if they deem it necessary.

So april, you know my stand. I believe Bamber to be guilty and - I want you to reflect on that point - this therefore must follow that he is indeed a psychopath. Now take what I have said and amplify this. If he committed these murders what sort of a person is he? It means he has lied to so many well-meaning people, disseminated, manipulated and cheated. But of course, ONLY, and I emphasise that word deliberately - if you believe him to be guilty. If truth be known, you do not know, I do not know, no-one apart from Jeremy Bamber knows the truth of what happened that night. I may be guilty of arguing to keep an totally innocent man locked in prison for the rest of his life, something I have thought long and hard about. Equally so, you may be directly assisting a psychopathic child-murderer avoid his just punishment and put the lives of others in mortal danger. This is what I hope this forum is all about - debating these two diametrically opposed beliefs.