"All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"

[Daniel_day]

No he isn't. What he says is the same old tripe that has been dished out daily by the usual boring culprits of the guilty party. You only think he's a breath of fresh air because you agree with him. I was wondering at one point if it was you as he says just about the same rubbish as you. I'm just about sick of your over dramatised tripe in a vain attempt to canonise Julie Mugford.

I can see you are not a very tolerant person and equally not a person with whom I feel comfortable with in any serious debate. If you want to call what I say 'tripe' then fine, but I suspect you find it difficult to understand that people hold different opinions to you Lugg.  I for one am disturbed by your rather catty remarks at anyone who does not hold the view that Bamber is innocent. If you would like to debate with me over the case - great. If not, please feel free to abstain.

[tyler]

Patti..I would love to help,but bullet weights etc? Its all too complicated for me I'm afraid...sorry x

[Daniel_day]

Excuse me Daniel. But you have made rash statements concerning April's posts. You made a pre-judgment concerning her reasoning of the case. But instead of humbly learning from those who have studied the case for 27 years or so you assume that they are so closed minded that they can only see one side. Instead of going through the whole of their posting history to see if in fact they have changed their minds or not.
That was what I was pointing out. But instead of thinking through what I actually said you immediately jumped to the conclusion that I was criticising your opposite view of things. Please take care. It is you yourself who are judging longstanding members here and not the other way round. You think that with just the little bit of study you think you have done is sufficient to make a rash, yes rash decision as to whether Bamber is guilty or not guilty. Believe me I have been on both sides of the fence myself and still question both sides of the argument.
But I always come back to the same questions, that some things just do not add up with this case. For the life of me I just cannot see how you can so easily dismiss the other side of the argument in such a short while?

Fuuny Lugg, there was me thinking that you only tow the 'innocent line' because looking back on your posts I am struggling to see exactly where you are actually questioning Bamber's innocence. If you could politely point me to your posts where this is deabted and under question I would be very grateful.

[Jane]

I find that statement rather rich Tyler. It seems everything Cook did was a total cock-up and inept, yet when he states something that could back up a supportive theory, you suddenly agree with him..... How Cook can come to that conclusion is totally beyond me. He may have been playing the game and going along with his boss DCI Jones. It is quite clear that a fight DID take place in the kitchen any denial of that is, in my opinion, ignoring the evidence to try to substantiate Bambers claims of innocence.

But just because Cook didn't believe there to have been a "violent fight" doesn't mean he didn't believe there had been a struggle. The light fitting which one poster insists was broken when Nevill was clubbed, could equally well have happened if a weapon was being held over someones head to prevent it being taken from them.

[killingeve]

It wasn't his job to find the location of the case shells it was the SOCO's responsibility. Don't forget that Vanezes was told it was a suicide and had he known otherwise he would have gone to the scene of crime, but he didn't.  You are right communication was atrocious.  Vanezes's findings are reported, so it was up to the defence to tackle that.   

We know those 4 shots would have been fatal, if not immediate, so we could say that one of them were taken upstairs....He would have struggled so much to have gotten downstairs if this was the case, but it does tally with the position of the case shells. imo.

Hi Patti

Yes I appreciate it wasn't his responsiblity to recover the bullets/case shells but it was surely his responsiblility to liaise with the SOC officers etc or at least have access to their findings/report to enable him to complete his own report in light of all the available evidence?   

[killingeve]

I think from memory that DRH/14 was found on the stairs, but I can't find the reference to it....I need help in this department because its complicated.  I started to do the case shells, the PV's weights and cross reference it all with distance and size of bullets and fragments....It needs more than me to do it....are you willing? lol 

I wish I had a printer....

Hi Patti

Is it worth the effort?  I'm not saying it isn't I just don't understand your objectives and what you hope to achieve? 

[Daniel_day]

"Oh Danny boy..."

Just what is it that you are bringing to this forum?  Looks like a tried and tested wind up formula. Come on the forum, professing to know very little about the case.  Then quickly revert to 'guilter' sound bites.

We've seen it all before a thousand times.  Try something innovative?

What is it with you lot? Have you all been sucking the same 'I hate anyone that thinks Bamber is guilty' spoon? I am NOT here to wind anyone up. Please learn to differentiate between the two. I am simply debating.I am studying criminology and the case is highly interesting. If you think I am someone else, no problem at all. I know who I am. I do not know who you are but what am I supposed to 'bring to the debate' exactly?
I am sorry I do not really think he is innocent. I personally suspect he is guilty. I am not 100% convinced but that's why I am here. If you want someone to churn out endless 'why I think he is innocent' and join the mutual admiration society so we can all stand around happily agreeing with each others theories and congratualting each other on a job well done and casually basking the the light of self-satisfaction. I am not the man. Sorry. You asked me to 'try something innovative' what have you in mind exactly? I am all ears.

[maggie]

What is it with you lot? Have you all been sucking the same 'I hate anyone that thinks Bamber is guilty' spoon? I am NOT here to wind anyone up. Please learn to differentiate between the two. I am simply debating.I am studying criminology and the case is highly interesting. If you think I am someone else, no problem at all. I know who I am. I do not know who you are but what am I supposed to 'bring to the debate' exactly?
I am sorry I do not really think he is innocent. I personally suspect he is guilty. I am not 100% convinced but that's why I am here. If you want someone to churn out endless 'why I think he is innocent' and join the mutual admiration society so we can all stand around happily agreeing with each others theories and congratualting each other on a job well done and casually basking the the light of self-satisfaction. I am not the man. Sorry. You asked me to 'try something innovative' what have you in mind exactly? I am all ears.

Hi Daniel, maybe we started off on the wrong foot.     Did you say you were a sudent at Newcastle University?

[Patti]

Hi Patti

Is it worth the effort?  I'm not saying it isn't I just don't understand your objectives and what you hope to achieve?

I'm not trying to achieve anything, this is a discussion as far as I'm concerned. You asked me a question about the 3 shell cases in the kitchen and we have debated upon it.   

My objectives are clear enough to me, if they aren't clear to you. I like to have an idea on where things were found, because that gives me some answers and puts it all into perspective. You don't have to join in or read my posts...lol

Can anyone achieve anything on here?  There is more than me that goes round and round in circles lol 

[Daniel_day]

But just because Cook didn't believe there to have been a "violent fight" doesn't mean he didn't believe there had been a struggle. The light fitting which one poster insists was broken when Nevill was clubbed, could equally well have happened if a weapon was being held over someones head to prevent it being taken from them.

Possible April, but unlikely. It was a glass lampshade in the kitchen. I feel it was unlikely to break by someone simply thrusting a gun above your head. I suspect that it was broken when the full weight of a rifle was swung and caught it. Violent fight, struggle.. it makes no difference. I still feel that if it was Sheila, Nevil could have literally just fallen on her to stop her - all 15 stone of him. This man was attacked with brutal force, clubbed viciously with the rifle so hard that the stock broke - not the kind exerted by a frail, uncoordinated 9 stone wringing wet, woman. I am sorry but to suggest that Sheila was the attacker it is not plausible for so many reasons- however demented she may have been. The jury did not buy this either and neither do I

[Patti]

Possible April, but unlikely. It was a glass lampshade in the kitchen. I feel it was unlikely to break by someone simply thrusting a gun above your head. I suspect that it was broken when the full weight of a rifle was swung and caught it. Violent fight, struggle.. it makes no difference. I still feel that if it was Sheila, Nevil could have literally just fallen on her to stop her - all 15 stone of him. This man was attacked with brutal force, clubbed viciously with the rifle so hard that the stock broke - not the kind exerted by a frail, uncoordinated 9 stone wringing wet, woman. I am sorry but to suggest that Sheila was the attacker it is not plausible for so many reasons- however demented she may have been. The jury did not buy this either and neither do I

I don't think women are going to take that you say a wringing wet woman at 5ft 7 and 9 stone politely....do you? Shame on that comment, because women are much stronger than you have suggest, both in mind and body. 

[lookout]

Let's look at forensic evidence. What forensic evidence.? Where was it.? Is it.?
For a big murder case,you need forensic evidence to nail a person for the crime.

[Jane]

What is it with you lot? Have you all been sucking the same 'I hate anyone that thinks Bamber is guilty' spoon? I am NOT here to wind anyone up. Please learn to differentiate between the two. I am simply debating.I am studying criminology and the case is highly interesting. If you think I am someone else, no problem at all. I know who I am. I do not know who you are but what am I supposed to 'bring to the debate' exactly?
I am sorry I do not really think he is innocent. I personally suspect he is guilty. I am not 100% convinced but that's why I am here. If you want someone to churn out endless 'why I think he is innocent' and join the mutual admiration society so we can all stand around happily agreeing with each others theories and congratualting each other on a job well done and casually basking the the light of self-satisfaction. I am not the man. Sorry. You asked me to 'try something innovative' what have you in mind exactly? I am all ears.

Daniel, perhaps you could start by listing what you believe are the reasons and motives behind jeremy's guilt. Speaking personally, I tired of being told that he hated his f'ing parents and he was greedy when neither can be truly substantiated.

[Bridget]

Daniel, perhaps you could start by listing what you believe are the reasons and motives behind jeremy's guilt. Speaking personally, I tired of being told that he hated his f'ing parents and he was greedy when neither can be truly substantiated.

How is it ever possible to substantiate someone else's reasons and motives? It's not as if someone accused of a crime like this is going to write "I did it cos I'm greedy and I hate my parents" and sign it in his own blood is it..

So you ask Daniel what he believes and then tell him what you don't want to hear, hardly a fair line of questioning, is it?

[Jane]

Possible April, but unlikely. It was a glass lampshade in the kitchen. I feel it was unlikely to break by someone simply thrusting a gun above your head. I suspect that it was broken when the full weight of a rifle was swung and caught it. Violent fight, struggle.. it makes no difference. I still feel that if it was Sheila, Nevil could have literally just fallen on her to stop her - all 15 stone of him. This man was attacked with brutal force, clubbed viciously with the rifle so hard that the stock broke - not the kind exerted by a frail, uncoordinated 9 stone wringing wet, woman. I am sorry but to suggest that Sheila was the attacker it is not plausible for so many reasons- however demented she may have been. The jury did not buy this either and neither do I

Daniel, if you continue down the route of "frail, uncoordinated, 9 stone(?) wringing wet(?!!!) woman" I don't think there is much further we can go with this discussion.