"All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"

[Jane]

You're all making so many assumptions and I could just as easily have quoted several other posts. Firstly why would Nevill leave his defenceless wife and grandchildren upstairs in an emergency situation and come downstairs to call Jeremy? He would at least have grabbed hold a gun himself as we keep being reminded guns seemed to be all over the farm that morning. Why call Jeremy in the first place,a man whom he distrusted as manifested by Barbara Wilson's evidence. Finally Sheila's coordination was such that she could not possibly have kept her parents at bay and reloaded the weapon many times. There was a silencer mark on Sheila's neck,I've seen the photograph posted on this site. Even Mike acknowledges that a silencer was used though I reject his interpretation of how the mark came to be there.

Please-get a grip of reality all of you.

You know what Steve? I REALLY resent being told that I make assumptions, especially by you. Unlike your own, my posts are peppered with "perhaps" "if" "possibly".

I feel that you may not have read my post thoroughly. What I suggested was, having gone to bed, Nevill heard Sheila talking as she went downstairs so he followed her to do what he's done on numerous other occasions, talk to her and calm her. Why, at that point, would he have believed there was any danger. It didn't require June to go downstairs with him, indeed, her presence MAY not have helped. MAYBE he did try to calm her. Maybe it was at this point that she spied the gun and took it upstairs and maybe it was at that point that Nevill phoned Jeremy.

[susan]

Hello april

think you have upset steve he has gone.  Unless the 3 L's are on with Kirsty and Phil

[Alias]

You know what Steve? I REALLY resent being told that I make assumptions, especially by you. Unlike your own, my posts are peppered with "perhaps" "if" "possibly".

I feel that you may not have read my post thoroughly. What I suggested was, having gone to bed, Nevill heard Sheila talking as she went downstairs so he followed her to do what he's done on numerous other occasions, talk to her and calm her. Why, at that point, would he have believed there was any danger. It didn't require June to go downstairs with him, indeed, her presence MAY not have helped. MAYBE he did try to calm her. Maybe it was at this point that she spied the gun and took it upstairs and maybe it was at that point that Nevill phoned Jeremy.

LOL, he´s got some cheek.

[Caroline R]

You're all making so many assumptions and I could just as easily have quoted several other posts. Firstly why would Nevill leave his defenceless wife and grandchildren upstairs in an emergency situation and come downstairs to call Jeremy? He would at least have grabbed hold a gun himself as we keep being reminded guns seemed to be all over the farm that morning. Why call Jeremy in the first place,a man whom he distrusted as manifested by Barbara Wilson's evidence. Finally Sheila's coordination was such that she could not possibly have kept her parents at bay and reloaded the weapon many times. There was a silencer mark on Sheila's neck,I've seen the photograph posted on this site. Even Mike acknowledges that a silencer was used though I reject his interpretation of how the mark came to be there.

Please-get a grip of reality all of you.

An accusation of assumptions thats full of assumptions by someone who deals specifically in assumptions.

[Steve_uk]

You know what Steve? I REALLY resent being told that I make assumptions, especially by you. Unlike your own, my posts are peppered with "perhaps" "if" "possibly".

I feel that you may not have read my post thoroughly. What I suggested was, having gone to bed, Nevill heard Sheila talking as she went downstairs so he followed her to do what he's done on numerous other occasions, talk to her and calm her. Why, at that point, would he have believed there was any danger. It didn't require June to go downstairs with him, indeed, her presence MAY not have helped. MAYBE he did try to calm her. Maybe it was at this point that she spied the gun and took it upstairs and maybe it was at that point that Nevill phoned Jeremy.

..but Nevill didn't spot the gun on the settle or the ammunition on the blue and white chequered worktop or he would have cleared them away. Sheila was exhausted from the events from the Saturday night onwards and does not suddenly metamorphose into a whirling dervish with perfect coordination and pinpoint accuracy.

I ask you..

[Patti]

..but Nevill didn't spot the gun on the settle or the ammunition on the blue and white chequered worktop or he would have cleared them away. Sheila was exhausted from the events from the Saturday night onwards and does not suddenly metamorphose into a whirling dervish with perfect coordination and pinpoint accuracy.

I ask you..

How do you know he didn't spot and put it away? He might have even asked Sheila to put it away. Or he might have thought, when Jeremy come to work tomorrow, he can put it away....We don't know we are debating we aren;t stating facts because there aren't any.....

While you assume we assume, we assume that you assume therefore we are all assuming and there you have my assumption on assuming.....Ha! 

[Patti]

An accusation of assumptions thats full of assumptions by someone who deals specifically in assumptions.

Lol.............snap! 

[lookout]

..but Nevill didn't spot the gun on the settle or the ammunition on the blue and white chequered worktop or he would have cleared them away. Sheila was exhausted from the events from the Saturday night onwards and does not suddenly metamorphose into a whirling dervish with perfect coordination and pinpoint accuracy.

I ask you..

Steve,,how do you know that Neville didn't put the gun away.? I'd have imagined it would have been top of the list of his priorities when the children were there. Lazy Jeremy knew this and that's why he left the rifle out. Both kids relied a lot on their parents to carry them around and clear up after them because they were obviously never taught that it was the thing to do.
I could be quite awkward and say they all murdered the children for not keeping those guns permanently under lock and key where there were children.Farm or no farm. Accidents have happened recently because of gormless unthoughtful adults leaving guns around where children have got hold of them.It only takes a split second.

I don't know about Sheila being exhausted.Why.? What doing.? It was June who was beside herself every time Sheila set foot at WHF. June wasn't getting any younger looking after those twins,,and also Sheila,,who,through no fault of her own,,was like a third child, only more troublesome. Her behaviour must have been unbearable at times,,blowing hot and cold like psychotics do,,so no,,it would have been June who was exhausted.

[Alias]

Steve,,how do you know that Neville didn't put the gun away.? I'd have imagined it would have been top of the list of his priorities when the children were there. Lazy Jeremy knew this and that's why he left the rifle out. Both kids relied a lot on their parents to carry them around and clear up after them because they were obviously never taught that it was the thing to do.
I could be quite awkward and say they all murdered the children for not keeping those guns permanently under lock and key where there were children.Farm or no farm. Accidents have happened recently because of gormless unthoughtful adults leaving guns around where children have got hold of them.It only takes a split second.

I don't know about Sheila being exhausted.Why.? What doing.? It was June who was beside herself every time Sheila set foot at WHF. June wasn't getting any younger looking after those twins,,and also Sheila,,who,through no fault of her own,,was like a third child, only more troublesome. Her behaviour must have been unbearable at times,,blowing hot and cold like psychotics do,,so no,,it would have been June who was exhausted.

But Steve KNOWS that Sheila was exhausted. He wasn´t there, but he claims to KNOW a lot of things - and the rest of us need to get a grip on reality. 

[lookout]

But Steve KNOWS that Sheila was exhausted. He wasn´t there, but he claims to KNOW a lot of things - and the rest of us need to get a grip on reality. 

No tea and crumpets for him then.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,how do you know that Neville didn't put the gun away.? I'd have imagined it would have been top of the list of his priorities when the children were there. Lazy Jeremy knew this and that's why he left the rifle out. Both kids relied a lot on their parents to carry them around and clear up after them because they were obviously never taught that it was the thing to do.
I could be quite awkward and say they all murdered the children for not keeping those guns permanently under lock and key where there were children.Farm or no farm. Accidents have happened recently because of gormless unthoughtful adults leaving guns around where children have got hold of them.It only takes a split second.

I don't know about Sheila being exhausted.Why.? What doing.? It was June who was beside herself every time Sheila set foot at WHF. June wasn't getting any younger looking after those twins,,and also Sheila,,who,through no fault of her own,,was like a third child, only more troublesome. Her behaviour must have been unbearable at times,,blowing hot and cold like psychotics do,,so no,,it would have been June who was exhausted.

I agree that June was tired but the Jeremy supporters want Sheila to have the psychotic incident at the time that fits them,not when Sheila was at the party on the Saturday night,not whilst she was being driven in the car by Colin on the Sunday,not in the shop in Tiptree on the Tuesday afternoon,or not even on the Tuesday evening when they're all sitting round that drab kitchen table.

If Nevill put the gun away(if he saw the gun then why not spot the ammunition also) then it's even more unlikely that Sheila reloaded from scratch without damaging her nails,or managing to keep Nevill at bay with the threat of a loaded rifle,which Nevill did get a hand to as we know from Julie's statement,annoying Jeremy slightly as he had to wipe the gun from scratch. The more I read this case the more I get the feeling that Jeremy just wanted rid of his parents and sod the consequences. It's why he went ahead with the scheme even though Julie knew about it and why he's accepted his sentence for the past 28 years.

[Jane]

..but Nevill didn't spot the gun on the settle or the ammunition on the blue and white chequered worktop or he would have cleared them away. Sheila was exhausted from the events from the Saturday night onwards and does not suddenly metamorphose into a whirling dervish with perfect coordination and pinpoint accuracy.

I ask you..

Ask away Steve, I'm happy to tell you. I think this is probably the first possible scenario I've offered. I have thought about it from a starting point and it seems reasonasble given that Nevill had NO idea what could/would transpire. You on the other hand appear to reach your conclusions using information available now. Nobody in the house that night had that information. Why would Nevill have moved the gun. What reason did he have to think it would be used. He wouldn't have moved it because of the children, they were in bed. There was no reason that the gun couldn't have stayed exactly where it was. I have never seen Sheila as a whirling dervish, although others have. I think she may have been moving quite slowly, probably talking to herself as she returned to the bedrooms. Had she been moving at speed, I think undoubtedly Nevill would have gone after her sooner.

[Caroline R]

..but Nevill didn't spot the gun on the settle or the ammunition on the blue and white chequered worktop or he would have cleared them away. Sheila was exhausted from the events from the Saturday night onwards and does not suddenly metamorphose into a whirling dervish with perfect coordination and pinpoint accuracy.

I ask you..

LOL - aren't these 'assumptions'??

[Alias]

LOL - aren't these 'assumptions'??

But they are Steve´s, so they are more valid than ours... OBVIOUSLY! LOL

[lookout]

I agree that June was tired but the Jeremy supporters want Sheila to have the psychotic incident at the time that fits them,not when Sheila was at the party on the Saturday night,not whilst she was being driven in the car by Colin on the Sunday,not in the shop in Tiptree on the Tuesday afternoon,or not even on the Tuesday evening when they're all sitting round that drab kitchen table.

If Nevill put the gun away(if he saw the gun then why not spot the ammunition also) then it's even more unlikely that Sheila reloaded from scratch without damaging her nails,or managing to keep Nevill at bay with the threat of a loaded rifle,which Nevill did get a hand to as we know from Julie's statement,annoying Jeremy slightly as he had to wipe the gun from scratch. The more I read this case the more I get the feeling that Jeremy just wanted rid of his parents and sod the consequences. It's why he went ahead with the scheme even though Julie knew about it and why he's accepted his sentence for the past 28 years.

That rifle was never wiped as it still had a print of Jeremys' when he'd handled it earlier,,,then there was Sheilas' print,and also those of an unknown male,,possibly Nevilles' when he tried to retrieve it from Sheila. Because we have no times of death,,it's easy to mess about with who shot who,as the possibility is always there that either June or Neville fired that first shot into Sheila.I think the three of them all fought amongst themselves,,with the mother of the twins shooting her boys.
They all shot each other in other words. Were June and Neville tested for residue.? I don't suppose for one minute they were,,because my guess,again,,would be that there would have been signs of lead on both.

Did you read the Colin Norris case,,where the judge swayed the jury into a guilty plea.? That was lack of evidence and a lot of tittle-tattle,hearsay and repeated conversations.The same as Jeremy.