Sheila's right hand resting on sooty magazine clue...

[mike tesko]

PC Bird photographed the fingers of Sheila's right hand resting  directly upon the sooty ammunition magazine of the rifle. This would havw produced significantly higher Lead deposit results than those attributrd to the hand swabs taken from  her right hand..

[Patti]

PC Bird photographed the fingers of Sheila's right hand resting  directly upon the sooty ammunition magazine of the rifle. This would havw produced significantly higher Lead deposit results than those attributrd to the hand swabs taken from  her right hand..

I totally agree with this. I have always said that her right hand would have shown some GR.  Its ridiculous to think it would not have. 

[Caroline R]

I totally agree with this. I have always said that her right hand would have shown some GR.  Its ridiculous to think it would not have. 

Except the hand swabs were rejected and submitted under a different reference - were they even the same swabs? 

[mike tesko]

Does anybody know if the medicine prescribed and used by Sheila, which was found to be present in the blood taken from her at the morgue, has its own type of dna? Or, to put it another way, when the dna profiling was done in connection with the failed 2002 appeal, did the presence of medicines which might have been lining of the silencers tube and baffle plates, produce results to confirm or disprove a presence of medicines, taken by Sheila, there?

[Bridget]

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure medicine doesn't have it's own DNA.

[lookout]

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure medicine doesn't have it's own DNA.

No,,,but it shows up in a blood test as we all know----------------particularly cannabis.

[lookout]

No,,,but it shows up in a blood test as we all know----------------particularly cannabis.

If it had been Sheilas' blood,,there would have been signs of cannabis,,as it takes anything up to 12 hours to assimilate. So if Sheila had smoked it that evening,,it would have still been in her bloodstream,,so any test done would have showed up.

[Bridget]

It only shows up if you test for it.

[Caroline R]

It only shows up if you test for it.

Not sure if the signs of drugs would degrade over time?

[Bridget]

Not sure if the signs of drugs would degrade over time?

Me neither tbh, I guess we need a haematologist / toxicologist.

[lookout]

Naturally.
 So if that minute speck of blood had been properly tested,it would have indicated if a noxious substance had been taken.
 But because the result was questionable,it was so impaired as to render it " might,may,or could have been ", it wasn't a definite and positive result from one person.

[Bridget]

What result?

[lookout]

The so-called silencer result that had been handled by all and sundry.

[Bridget]

If you mean the blood grouping results then yes, it was only claimed at trial that it was blood of the same type as Sheila's, or a remote possibility of an intimate mix of blood of the same types as Neville and June's.

[lookout]

If you mean the blood grouping results then yes, it was only claimed at trial that it was blood of the same type as Sheila's, or a remote possibility of an intimate mix of blood of the same types as Neville and June's.

Bridget,,I'm sorry,,but it's not good enough to state that " there was a remote possibility " of anything.
I'm a black and white person,,always have been,,so it either was,or it wasn't,,nothing in-between.

Not your fault,,not my fault,,but this is about how the case was dealt with,and to my mind,,it was a ruddy shambles from start to finish.