Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985

[Steve_uk]

Unfortunately Steve it appears that in your very first post to ngb was BECAUSE of his status and not WHATEVER his status. Your criticism was BECAUSE you thought he was a public school boy and not IN SPITE of his being a public school boy. That to my mind is not democracy. But PREJUDICE. And that is what guided your thoughts.

Lugg you have no thoughts whatsoever in your stupid,ugly head. You're the kind of Year 11 pupil who will start the low humming on a teacher entering the class and then pretend that it's nothing at all to do with them. You do no schoolwork that final year of your life and manage a handful of low-grade qualifications whilst forever and a day blaming the teachers who taught you whilst you rot in the cesspit of your own making.

[Lugg]

Lugg you have no thoughts whatsoever in your stupid,ugly head. You're the kind of Year 11 pupil who will start the low humming on a teacher entering the class and then pretend that it's nothing at all to do with them. You do no schoolwork that final year of your life and manage a handful of low-grade qualifications whilst forever and a day blaming the teachers who taught you whilst you rot in the cesspit of your own making.

What a silly statement Steve. Hit a nerve did we?

[Steve_uk]

Unfortunately Steve you have done absolutely nothing to reconcile to other members. And quite frankly you say this because I can see right through you and you don't like what you see. I suggest you learn a bit of humility ande then perhaps your apologies will be sincere, which they ain't at the moment.

There was one apology to ngb1066 for calling him a public schoolboy toff when he is the product of a council house. There is no apology to him for the substance of what he wrote which is the most important thing,namely the allegation that Julie connived in the use of her pills to drug Jeremy's parents,and conspired to import drugs from the Netherlands,neither has there been an apology from me to you or any other member.

[Caroline R]

Lugg you have no thoughts whatsoever in your stupid,ugly head. You're the kind of Year 11 pupil who will start the low humming on a teacher entering the class and then pretend that it's nothing at all to do with them. You do no schoolwork that final year of your life and manage a handful of low-grade qualifications whilst forever and a day blaming the teachers who taught you whilst you rot in the cesspit of your own making.

What a nasty little piece of work you're turning into!!

[lookout]

The whole point about Jeremy is that he can't start talking about their relationship without incriminating himself. Does Julie ever resort to "don't know" or "no comment" in her statement? There is no reason whatsoever for a murder suspect to answer any question "no comment" unless they are looking ahead to the trial and believe that such answers will go against you in the minds of the jurors. I read a post today about Julie's use of language:I didn't agree with it but Jeremy knows what language to use to suit his audience,describing Sheila as a "paranoid schizophrenic" in his formal statements yet describes her as "a nutter" to the Police upon arrival at White House Farm in order to delay entry until he is sure Sheila has bled to death.

Steve,,what Jeremy did was to speak to the police using their language,i.e." nutter ".I wouldn't have thought that " paranoid schizophrenic " entered into many peoples' vocabulary in the mid 80's as it does now. Hence why people didn't understand or know of its existance when it was first reported as 4 murders and a suicide,,which was questioned and queried for a further 12 months until people were of the understanding that a " slip of a girl " couldn't murder her 6ft 4 father. Nobody was ever made fully aware of the type of illness,or the capabilities of the person who suffered it.

[Lugg]

There was one apology to ngb1066 for calling him a public schoolboy toff when he is the product of a council house. There is no apology to him for the substance of what he wrote which is the most important thing,namely the allegation that Julie connived in the use of her pills to drug Jeremy's parents,and conspired to import drugs from the Netherlands,neither has there been an apology from me to you or any other member.

1. Still guided by prejudice then? 2. You haven't done anything at all to reconcile other members of the forum then?

[Caroline R]

There was one apology to ngb1066 for calling him a public schoolboy toff when he is the product of a council house. There is no apology to him for the substance of what he wrote which is the most important thing,namely the allegation that Julie connived in the use of her pills to drug Jeremy's parents,and conspired to import drugs from the Netherlands,neither has there been an apology from me to you or any other member.

An apology to you for what? The substance of what he wrote came from his experience in the legal profession - yours comes from a few ill written books!! I know who my money is on!!

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,what Jeremy did was to speak to the police using their language,i.e." nutter ".I wouldn't have thought that " paranoid schizophrenic " entered into many peoples' vocabulary in the mid 80's as it does now. Hence why people didn't understand or know of its existance when it was first reported as 4 murders and a suicide,,which was questioned and queried for a further 12 months until people were of the understanding that a " slip of a girl " couldn't murder her 6ft 4 father. Nobody was ever made fully aware of the type of illness,or the capabilities of the person who suffered it.

But Sheila didn't store things up in her head with some kind of ulterior motive vengeance. She just wasn't that kind of girl. Jeremy hadn't a clue what went on inside women's heads which is why he told Julie of his murder plot albeit in code at the end after she'd told him she didn't want to hear any more and it's partly the reason why he's been in prison now for 28 years.

[maggie]

Lugg you have no thoughts whatsoever in your stupid,ugly head. You're the kind of Year 11 pupil who will start the low humming on a teacher entering the class and then pretend that it's nothing at all to do with them. You do no schoolwork that final year of your life and manage a handful of low-grade qualifications whilst forever and a day blaming the teachers who taught you whilst you rot in the cesspit of your own making.

Steve, that is totally unfair.  You told me once I was out of order for little or nothing and I am telling you now, you are wholly and completely out of order and now you owe Lugg an apology as well as ngb.

[Steve_uk]

An apology to you for what? The substance of what he wrote came from his experience in the legal profession - yours comes from a few ill written books!! I know who my money is on!!

It was dressed up in legal jargon but there was no proof of either of the allegations.

[Caroline R]

But Sheila didn't store things up in her head with some kind of ulterior motive vengeance. She just wasn't that kind of girl. Jeremy hadn't a clue what went on inside women's heads which is why he told Julie of his murder plot albeit in code at the end after she'd told him she didn't want to hear any more and it's partly the reason why he's been in prison now for 28 years.

How do you know what she did or didn't do? You didn't know these people - more flights of fancy and fantasy!!

[guest154]

Lugg you have no thoughts whatsoever in your stupid,ugly head. You're the kind of Year 11 pupil who will start the low humming on a teacher entering the class and then pretend that it's nothing at all to do with them. You do no schoolwork that final year of your life and manage a handful of low-grade qualifications whilst forever and a day blaming the teachers who taught you whilst you rot in the cesspit of your own making.

Steve, I fear that you're going too far. It's clear certain people have wound you up over the last few weeks - but attacking Grahame seems...just wrong. He isn't at the top of your detractors at all.
Trust me, I learned the hard way that there are people here that will never believe Bamber guilty - don't care about the true facts of the case and would rather gossip about relatives/JM/AE and adoption.

I'm not the biggest Grahame fan, nor is he of me, but like I said when someone gets attacked and it isn't fair.....it's only right to speak up.... you owe Grahame an apology. 

And then stop getting wound up by people.


As for the whole Steve/NGB thing, I think Steve has the right to pull NGB up on things he isn't happy that have been posted and vice versa. There are times I do wish NGB was a little more careful with what he accuses people in this case of, he is close to the defence so you'd think his words on the internet would be a little more thought out. IMO.

It was dressed up in legal jargon but there was no proof of either of the allegations.

I agreew, it was careless.

[lookout]

Maggie the only thing that would shut the psychotics up in the late 50's was a shot of paraldehyde. The stuff used to stink and sister would run like the clappers with her needle full and sink it into the offending patient,who was usually on the floor with half a dozen of us holding her down. They are violent.

[Steve_uk]

What a nasty little piece of work you're turning into!!

I never liked you since you didn't ask my permission for disclosing something I wrote for another site. But I never attacked you personally until now and I didn't particularly want to,neither do I enjoy it. If the olive branch is rejected then so be it.

[Caroline R]

It was dressed up in legal jargon but there was no proof of either of the allegations.

No it wasn't, it was clearly written and easily understandable. There was of course no flowery prose which is why you might have had a problem with it - that and the fact that M's Mugford misdemeanour's were laid bare!!