Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985

[susan]

mertol steve posts what he believes and quite rightly so but he must allow other posters the same right even if their views are different than his.

[Alias]

mertol steve posts what he believes and quite rightly so but he must allow other posters the same right even if their views are different than his.

This is a pro Jeremy board, so that makes a lot of sense! I think Steve is beginning to realize that the whitewashing of Julie Mugford he has made his mission in life is falling on deaf ears here, and that frustrates him.

[Jane]

This is a pro Jeremy board, so that makes a lot of sense! I think Steve is beginning to realize that the whitewashing of Julie Mugford he has made his mission in life is falling on deaf ears here, and that frustrates him.

What Steve is practicing, although he wouldn't demean himself to acknowledge the fact, is very successful reverse psychology. The further down our throats he rams spotless Julie, the more we support Jeremy.

[mertol22]

This is a pro Jeremy board, so that makes a lot of sense! I think Steve is beginning to realize that the whitewashing of Julie Mugford he has made his mission in life is falling on deaf ears here, and that frustrates him.

it looks that way alias a sort of barrier steve cant break down, with or without the newspaper of mugford posing it would alter little when you look in the news its almost daily a scandal surfaces perhaps the whf one is due.

[guest154]

What Steve is practicing, although he wouldn't demean himself to acknowledge the fact, is very successful reverse psychology. The further down our throats he rams spotless Julie, the more we support Jeremy.

I hope not? 


Although Steve's post contain a lot of creative license..... I've seen much worse be posted and go unchallenged.


Although I completely disagree with his comment towards Alias. 

[Alias]

I hope not? 


Although Steve's post contain a lot of creative license..... I've seen much worse be posted and go unchallenged.


Although I completely disagree with his comment towards Alias. 

Thanks, mat, but it isn´t just me Steve has been rude to lately, it is becoming a habit.

[Steve_uk]

I'm not too bothered what is written about me here and we really should get back to the Jeremy Bamber case. I have apologized to ngb1066 whom it appears on this site is held up as some kind of eminence grise but I'm afraid I reserve the right to criticize him whatever his status in life may be:this is what democracy is all about.

Specifically two points I would object to whoever they came from but coming from a barrister it adds more credence to them. The most damning allegation which he dresses up in legal jargon as a fact but cannot possibly know for sure is that Julie gave Jeremy sleeping tablets to test out on his parents and connived in this procedure. This is fundamental to the case so you'll have to excuse the repetition but I will argue until I'm blue in the face(or blush) that Julie left these tablets lying around and there is no proof whatsoever that she was involved in any harm caused by them,which as it turned out there was none.

Secondly dressed up as fact is that Julie conspired to import cannabis from Amsterdam as if this was some kind of joint mission between her and Jeremy and therefore she is culpable in law. Julie could not possibly take the blame for tubes of toothpaste stuffed with drugs in Jeremy's suitcase carried by Jeremy and smuggled by Jeremy through customs at Dover. Several times I have accompanied schoolchildren on trips to France and if they did this kind of thing when my back was turned as has happened with smoke alarms,knives and so on it's regrettable but no way am I responsible in law for the actions of others in this regard.

As for the site in general I wouldn't like us to fall out,I count you all as friends and believe that we have far more in common than what divides us. We all want justice done and this will mean different things to different members. Some of the posts in recent days have raised eyebrows and I'd like to think that we can stick to the advertising code of legal,decent,honest and truthful as a guide so as to keep this site as a record where outside parties can look in and feel that we do have a sensible contribution to make.

[lookout]

If sleeping pills had been ingested,Steve,,they'd have shown up in tests,,,particularly when there weren't any stomach contents as well,,so you can cross those off your list.
The only one taking noxious substances was Sheila,,,cannabis,cocaine and amphetamines,along with her prescribed medication,,to which if she was indulging in the aforementioned,then my guess is that she wouldn't have also been taking her prescription medicine.

[Caroline R]

I'm not too bothered what is written about me here and we really should get back to the Jeremy Bamber case. I have apologized to ngb1066 whom it appears on this site is held up as some kind of eminence grise but I'm afraid I reserve the right to criticize him whatever his status in life may be:this is what democracy is all about.

Specifically two points I would object to whoever they came from but coming from a barrister it adds more credence to them. The most damning allegation which he dresses up in legal jargon as a fact but cannot possibly know for sure is that Julie gave Jeremy sleeping tablets to test out on his parents and connived in this procedure. This is fundamental to the case so you'll have to excuse the repetition but I will argue until I'm blue in the face(or blush) that Julie left these tablets lying around and there is no proof whatsoever that she was involved in any harm caused by them,which as it turned out there was none.

Secondly dressed up as fact is that Julie conspired to import cannabis from Amsterdam as if this was some kind of joint mission between her and Jeremy and therefore she is culpable in law. Julie could not possibly take the blame for tubes of toothpaste stuffed with drugs in Jeremy's suitcase carried by Jeremy and smuggled by Jeremy through customs at Dover. Several times I have accompanied schoolchildren on trips to France and if they did this kind of thing when my back was turned as has happened with smoke alarms,knives and so on it's regrettable but no way am I responsible in law for the actions of others in this regard.

As for the site in general I wouldn't like us to fall out,I count you all as friends and believe that we have far more in common than what divides us. We all want justice done and this will mean different things to different members. Some of the posts in recent days have raised eyebrows and I'd like to think that we can stick to the advertising code of legal,decent,honest and truthful as a guide so as to keep this site as a record where outside parties can look in and feel that we do have a sensible contribution to make.

He doesn't need to prove it because A, she admits he told her all about his plan to kill his family firstly by drugging them with sleeping pills and B, after finding this out, she turns up to his house with sleeping pills and allows him to take them (IF you believe her story anyway!).

[Steve_uk]

If sleeping pills had been ingested,Steve,,they'd have shown up in tests,,,particularly when there weren't any stomach contents as well,,so you can cross those off your list.
The only one taking noxious substances was Sheila,,,cannabis,cocaine and amphetamines,along with her prescribed medication,,to which if she was indulging in the aforementioned,then my guess is that she wouldn't have also been taking her prescription medicine.

I'm not sure the sleeping pills were tried out on the Tuesday night lookout,rather it was suggested if I've read it correctly that Jeremy was doing some trial to see if he could make it look as if Nevill had dozed off with a gin and tonic in his hand(laced with Julie's pills) and inadvertently started a fire at the farm in which they all perished. I believe Jeremy noticed some burn marks on the settee made when Nevill had fallen asleep on a previous occasion with a cigarette in his hand which may have given him the idea.

[Steve_uk]

He doesn't need to prove it because A, she admits he told her all about his plan to kill his family firstly by drugging them with sleeping pills and B, after finding this out, she turns up to his house with sleeping pills and allows him to take them (IF you believe her story anyway!).

But you don't have proof Caroline,only a suspicion that Julie willingly gave Jeremy her tablets as some kind of dummy run for the murders which to my mind is false. If Jeremy took the tablets from her bedroom without her knowledge she can't be blamed.

[lookout]

Don't forget that Sheila used cocaine frequently,,along with cannabis,,which would in effect cancel out the therapeutic effects of her prescription medication,exacerbating her already delicate state of schizophrenia ( initially caused by over-use of cannabis )
It was only in March of that same year that she'd been a patient at St Andrews hospital where she'd already displayed psychotic outbursts,,,and for someone who knew Sheila and saw one of these outbursts,left the person traumatised because it was so severe.
These outbursts are like a blind anger where the patient is completely out of control and doesn't see themselves doing it,,,but someone else,as their minds are so unbalanced.
You would have to see it to believe how irrational their behaviour is,,and they all seem to talk about the " devil " as if they're forced to obey a command. They're not in their right minds.

[Caroline R]

But you don't have proof Caroline,only a suspicion that Julie willingly gave Jeremy her tablets as some kind of dummy run for the murders which to my mind is false. If Jeremy took the tablets from her bedroom without her knowledge she can't be blamed.

Errrr, how did he know she had them?

[Steve_uk]

Don't forget that Sheila used cocaine frequently,,along with cannabis,,which would in effect cancel out the therapeutic effects of her prescription medication,exacerbating her already delicate state of schizophrenia ( initially caused by over-use of cannabis )
It was only in March of that same year that she'd been a patient at St Andrews hospital where she'd already displayed psychotic outbursts,,,and for someone who knew Sheila and saw one of these outbursts,left the person traumatised because it was so severe.
These outbursts are like a blind anger where the patient is completely out of control and doesn't see themselves doing it,,,but someone else,as their minds are so unbalanced.
You would have to see it to believe how irrational their behaviour is,,and they all seem to talk about the " devil " as if they're forced to obey a command. They're not in their right minds.

All that is true lookout and nobody is arguing that Sheila wasn't a sick young woman. But there's a difference between banging fists and head on the wall however frightening that may appear to the untrained observer and physically harming others by picking up a gun,firing 25 rounds during which she has to keep running up and downstairs to the ammunition cache,defeating Nevill in a struggle,shooting herself once in the kitchen then evading Police before proceeding upstairs where the story continues in other veins depending on your point of view.

[lookout]

But you don't have proof Caroline,only a suspicion that Julie willingly gave Jeremy her tablets as some kind of dummy run for the murders which to my mind is false. If Jeremy took the tablets from her bedroom without her knowledge she can't be blamed.

The only proof we do have,is that of Sheila and her " acute " paranoid schizophrenia,,,which I believe that 40 to 60% of such patients,,commit suicide.

Unless such patients are kept under control with their medication,,,they are dangerous people.