steve might I add I have never professed to be an expert on the Jeremy Bamber case just the opposite actually. I had never heard of him until last March 2012 when a programme went out on the TV about him and I took an interest in it. I have to say I have gained so much knowledge from Mike and ngb and other posters like Grahame and Roch and Caroline who have a vast amount of knowledge. I would like to suggest to you in a nice manner that you take more notice of people like them and don't attack them just debate with them. I have not read one book on the case but I am looking forward to the book coming out this year by Mason Doyle which I feel will be a fair balanced view of the murders at WHF and I hope you too will enjoy the book. I would like to add I have the utmost respect for Mike for setting up the forum and collating the amount of information he has without him there would be no place to discuss the case and also ngb who supplies us with so many facts as he has been involved in the case for many years and has the advantage over me and you I suspect of being legally trained.