Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985

[killingeve]

Isn't that just another name for perverting the course of justice? If so, then again, I think it requires a positive act as opposed to an omission.

Miss Bridget

I think it might be slightly different? 

Withholding info = impeding a police investigation?  Check out Milly Dowler/NOTW?

[Lugg]

Yes and imo he was/is spot on and this is further supported by JM's wit stat of 8th Aug.  However, if he is guilty, and I don't for one minute believe that he is, then had JM have 'fessed' up on 8th Aug DCI Taff Jones would, I'm sure, have been all ears.  He would not have been able to say 'arr but you're a scorned woman aren't you'?  The police would then have treated the soc differently: thorough search of WHF and a find of the silencer, preserved the carpets, put a stop to the cremations.  Had she have feared not being taken seriously then at least her conscience would have been clear.  Why did she not discuss this with her mother or another family member or a friend or Colin or Ann Eaton when she left the morgue?  I would suggest because it was all a pack of lies.  I don't buy into your ridiculous excuse that she was love struck and spell bound by JB.  In one breath you would have us believe that JB is in the bottom 10% of the population in terms of iq, which would render him unable to carry out all but the simplest taks, and on the other hand according to you he is capable of sweet talking, controlling and manipulating a woman educated to degree level 

I find the tone/style of JM's wit stat on 8th Aug completely different to her later ones.  I guess she had a 'helping hand' with the others?  Anyone agree?

Great post NN.

[Caroline R]

Yes and imo he was/is spot on and this is further supported by JM's wit stat of 8th Aug.  However, if he is guilty, and I don't for one minute believe that he is, then had JM have 'fessed' up on 8th Aug DCI Taff Jones would, I'm sure, have been all ears.  He would not have been able to say 'arr but you're a scorned woman aren't you'?  The police would then have treated the soc differently: thorough search of WHF and a find of the silencer, preserved the carpets, put a stop to the cremations.  Had she have feared not being taken seriously then at least her conscience would have been clear.  Why did she not discuss this with her mother or another family member or a friend or Colin or Ann Eaton when she left the morgue?  I would suggest because it was all a pack of lies.  I don't buy into your ridiculous excuse that she was love struck and spell bound by JB.  In one breath you would have us believe that JB is in the bottom 10% of the population in terms of iq, which would render him unable to carry out all but the simplest taks, and on the other hand according to you he is capable of sweet talking, controlling and manipulating a woman educated to degree level 

I find the tone/style of JM's wit stat on 8th Aug completely different to her later ones.  I guess she had a 'helping hand' with the others?  Anyone agree?

Totally and absolutely!! 

[tyler]

I thought that aiding and abetting or accessory can refer to knowing that a crime has been committed (before or after) and not reporting it?

[Caroline R]

I thought that aiding and abetting or accessory can refer to knowing that a crime has been committed (before or after) and not reporting it?

That's the way I understood too!! NGB surely knows??

[mike tesko]

Hi NN, I have to agree - however, I am sure some where along the line she was offered immunity!!

The other significant thing to remember, is that Julie Mugford was initially interviewed under caution, but the details of that initial police interview has never been disclosed, it is beingwitheld under piipresumeably because she said things in that interview which exposes the later witness statements as a pack of lies, and shows how DS Jones has put words into her mouth later on - at least this is what I have been told by a spook...

[mike tesko]

The other significant thing to remember, is that Julie Mugford was initially interviewed under caution, but the details of that initial police interview has never been disclosed, it is beingwitheld under piipresumeably because she said things in that interview which exposes the later witness statements as a pack of lies, and shows how DS Jones has put words into her mouth later on - at least this is what I have been told by a spook...

In the withheld police interview under caution, Mugford speaks about things she suspects Jeremy to have done, not what she knows he has done, she tells DS Jones that Jeremy has dumped her and been cheating on her with her best friend, and she tells DS Jones, that she is prepared to do anything, and say anything to help the police arrest Jeremy for the burglary at Osea Road Camp site, and drug related offences, and cheque book fraud. When prompted by DS Jones in the interview, about wther or not she thought Jeremy had got anything to do with the deaths of his family, she replied, "I don't think so, but if you want me to say he did I will co-operate with anything the police want me to do, or say"...

[Lugg]

I thought that aiding and abetting or accessory can refer to knowing that a crime has been committed (before or after) and not reporting it?

That may be because the police always put that slant on it when bullying I mean questioning people? This may have been the way they questioned Mugford?

[Jane]

Yes and imo he was/is spot on and this is further supported by JM's wit stat of 8th Aug.  However, if he is guilty, and I don't for one minute believe that he is, then had JM have 'fessed' up on 8th Aug DCI Taff Jones would, I'm sure, have been all ears.  He would not have been able to say 'arr but you're a scorned woman aren't you'?  The police would then have treated the soc differently: thorough search of WHF and a find of the silencer, preserved the carpets, put a stop to the cremations.  Had she have feared not being taken seriously then at least her conscience would have been clear.  Why did she not discuss this with her mother or another family member or a friend or Colin or Ann Eaton when she left the morgue?  I would suggest because it was all a pack of lies.  I don't buy into your ridiculous excuse that she was love struck and spell bound by JB.  In one breath you would have us believe that JB is in the bottom 10% of the population in terms of iq, which would render him unable to carry out all but the simplest taks, and on the other hand according to you he is capable of sweet talking, controlling and manipulating a woman educated to degree level 

I find the tone/style of JM's wit stat on 8th Aug completely different to her later ones.  I guess she had a 'helping hand' with the others?  Anyone agree?

Brilliant post, NaNu

[lookout]

Yes,,a very good post.

There should be a time limit as to how long documents/files etc,,should be retained by the PII after a crime,,,particularly if there IS a shadow of doubt on the conviction of that person. It's not right.

[Bridget]

Miss Bridget

I think it might be slightly different? 

Withholding info = impeding a police investigation?  Check out Milly Dowler/NOTW?

That seems to be a phrase used by John Whittingdale as opposed to an actual charge. In any case, NOWT hacked Milly's phone and then claimed to have evidence that Milly was alive and living in the north of England, which would be a positive act.

You may find this interesting, it's guidance for academic researchers at Goldsmiths College who, in the course of their research, may come across or be told unreported information relating to criminal activities. From my reading of it there is no duty to disclose the information unless there is a specific duty under statute (for example offences of terrorism).

http://www.gold.ac.uk/media/criminalbehaviourreport.doc

[mike tesko]

Mugford was interviewed under caution, and admitted how dishonest she was, she was a burglar, she was a drug dealor, she was a fraudster - as soon as dodgy Jones had enough evidence about such crimes, he had a duty to charge her with criminal offences, and either, grant her police bail, or produce her to the magistrate, who may grant her bail, or alternatively remand her in custody...

[killingeve]

That seems to be a phrase used by John Whittingdale as opposed to an actual charge. In any case, NOWT hacked Milly's phone and then claimed to have evidence that Milly was alive and living in the north of England, which would be a positive act.

You may find this interesting, it's guidance for academic researchers at Goldsmiths College who, in the course of their research, may come across or be told unreported information relating to criminal activities. From my reading of it there is no duty to disclose the information unless there is a specific duty under statute (for example offences of terrorism).

http://www.gold.ac.uk/media/criminalbehaviourreport.doc

Thank you Miss Bridget.  I assume the above assignment is this week's homework?    Just thought I'd say I don't mind if you mark my work in red 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/10010509/Teachers-told-they-must-not-use-red-ink-for-marking-homework-in-case-it-upsets-pupils.html

I'm trained in the 'proceeds of crime act money laundering' and I know failure to support a suspicion is a criminal offence carrying a max 5 year prison sentence.  Perhaps different rules apply to this as with terrorism.

[Bridget]

Thank you Miss Bridget.  I assume the above assignment is this week's homework?    Just thought I'd say I don't mind if you mark my work in red 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/10010509/Teachers-told-they-must-not-use-red-ink-for-marking-homework-in-case-it-upsets-pupils.html

I'm trained in the 'proceeds of crime act money laundering' and I know failure to report a suspicion is a criminal offence carrying a max 5 year prison sentence.  Perhaps different rules apply to this as with terrorism.

Yes, POCA 2002 is another example of a statutory duty to report, there are probably others...treason is one I think?

[killingeve]

Yes, POCA 2002 is another example of a statutory duty to report, there are probably others...treason is one I think?

Miss Bridget

I'm unsure how reliable this is but I struggle to comprehend that 'withholding' is not a criminal offence especially in a wit stat: 

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_be_arrested_for_Withholding_information_from_police