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If such an alarm was fitted, there would be at least one reference to it. Don't you think it would have been mentioned in relation to the phone call to Jeremy from Ralph by at least one person? And with all Robert and Ann's weird and wonderful theories, neither mention the personal alarm in any of them? There is no evidence that it was there and until, there is, I will remain sceptical. It seems Jeremy also recollection that it was fitted after and as a regular visitor, I think he would know. However, I am still waiting to be 'proven' wrong. :)


Caroline, good morning :) I hear what you say and I understand your reasoning. My own personal experience of a family who had one installed because one of them and their children were under threat of murder, hardly constitutes concrete proof. All I can say is that once the threat was removed, so too, was the panic button. If magistrates don't get them fitted as a matter of course, what would bve the point of fitting one in an unoccupied house OR a place where there was NO specific threat. For me, this is key. The threat must be serious, real but specific. IMO, it would be useless for A and R to say they were concerned that X MAY try to break in, or Y looks like a shifty character. If that was the case, most of us could have requested one at some time, but if they were so readily distributed their efficacy would be dramatically reduced.

Why would the wider family know of its existance if Nevill had chosen NOT to tell his close family. He had the opportunity to tell BW during the somewhat cryptic conversation he had with her regarding his concerns, but he said nothing. As to why he didn't reach automatically for it that night, I can only suggest that, strictly ethical man that he was, he reasoned that it would be an abuse to use it for any purpose OTHER that that for which it was installed AND as it had always been, family business was sacrosanct.

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Morning april  I have made my own enquiries since yesterday from a gentleman very high up in the legal profession who informed me that a panic button will only be fitted if a persons life is at risk and once the risk is removed so is the button.  I remember Andrea posting way back in December saying some years ago she was fitted with a panic button for a short period.  We  can speak to her about it next time she is on.It would now appear to me that a panic button would only be fitted at WHF if Ralph's life was under serious threat was this the case I wonder I have no evidence of it.
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Morning april  I have made my own enquiries since yesterday from a gentleman very high up in the legal profession who informed me that a panic button will only be fitted if a persons life is at risk and once the risk is removed so is the button.  I remember Andrea posting way back in December saying some years ago she was fitted with a panic button for a short period.  We  can speak to her about it next time she is on.It would now appear to me that a panic button would only be fitted at WHF if Ralph's life was under serious threat was this the case I wonder I have no evidence of it.


Susan Hello :) As was the case with my friends. Theirs and their childrens lives were at risk from a very serious threat. If no panic button had been installed PRE murder, I feel we must question the validity of the claim that Nevill's life was deemed to be at risk. We could post our findings under a new thread entitled "Forum Myths and Legends" :D

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april that would be a very busy thread and dominate the forum ;D ;D ;D

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Caroline, good morning :) I hear what you say and I understand your reasoning. My own personal experience of a family who had one installed because one of them and their children were under threat of murder, hardly constitutes concrete proof. All I can say is that once the threat was removed, so too, was the panic button. If magistrates don't get them fitted as a matter of course, what would bve the point of fitting one in an unoccupied house OR a place where there was NO specific threat. For me, this is key. The threat must be serious, real but specific. IMO, it would be useless for A and R to say they were concerned that X MAY try to break in, or Y looks like a shifty character. If that was the case, most of us could have requested one at some time, but if they were so readily distributed their efficacy would be dramatically reduced.

Why would the wider family know of its existance if Nevill had chosen NOT to tell his close family. He had the opportunity to tell BW during the somewhat cryptic conversation he had with her regarding his concerns, but he said nothing. As to why he didn't reach automatically for it that night, I can only suggest that, strictly ethical man that he was, he reasoned that it would be an abuse to use it for any purpose OTHER that that for which it was installed AND as it had always been, family business was sacrosanct.

Morning April, the only threat came from some local nutter as far as I can see. I don't think magistrates have them fitted as a matter of course and again, there is no evidence of it having been installed pre murders - other than a few anecdotes. Unless someone can prove to me that it was fitted pre murders I won't be changing my mind. Too many things are simply accepted and we just never move on. Know doubt the panic button will be brought up again in the future and written about as though it were fact, hopefully if that's the case, someone can post the evidence to back it up. It's not just the existence of the button (pre murders) that's in question, it's why it was installed, it's position, who knew about it etc. Everyone seems to have their own 'opinion' well, my opinion is that there was no panic button but I'm inviting people to prove me wrong - with some evidence. We need to kill the myths!!!

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Hi Susan. Your friend has told you that - once the risk is removed then so is the button. That then leads to the question of why then,it is still in situ at whf? It is possible that police installed the alarm after Nevill was threatened by Jimmy Bell,or the father of the lad he sent to prison,who was said to have been threatening Nevill. Either way,if alarm was indeed in situ pre murders,I certainly don't believe it was active. I have many reasons for believing this,but of coarse,that is only my opinion.

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Hi tyler  I agree just  because a panic alarm is in situ does not mean it can be activated as I feel is the case just now.  I am having doubts as to whether it was connected pre murders as Ralph would have used it.  When Andrea put up her post she said the police installed a panic button in her home just for a short while. My neighbour told me panic buttons are not just installed unless for a very good reason i.e. a life is threatened and when I think about it this makes good sense as we would all want one just in case.

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Morning April, the only threat came from some local nutter as far as I can see. I don't think magistrates have them fitted as a matter of course and again, there is no evidence of it having been installed pre murders - other than a few anecdotes. Unless someone can prove to me that it was fitted pre murders I won't be changing my mind. Too many things are simply accepted and we just never move on. Know doubt the panic button will be brought up again in the future and written about as though it were fact, hopefully if that's the case, someone can post the evidence to back it up. It's not just the existence of the button (pre murders) that's in question, it's why it was installed, it's position, who knew about it etc. Everyone seems to have their own 'opinion' well, my opinion is that there was no panic button but I'm inviting people to prove me wrong - with some evidence. We need to kill the myths!!!


I think the key question here is, and let's for a moment, accept that it was installed, who knew about it. I suspect the answer may be NOBODY other than Nevill. To me it follows that if he felt unable to tell June, out of courtesy to her, he wouldn't tell anyone else either OR he may have simply been afraid that they would say something accidently. I think it highly unlikely that the police would divulge information regading its installation or the reason for it, because it became void after the murders.

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I think the key question here is, and let's for a moment, accept that it was installed, who knew about it. I suspect the answer may be NOBODY other than Nevill. To me it follows that if he felt unable to tell June, out of courtesy to her, he wouldn't tell anyone else either OR he may have simply been afraid that they would say something accidently. I think it highly unlikely that the police would divulge information regading its installation or the reason for it, because it became void after the murders.

What? Did he just hope she wouldn't notice the button and ask what it was?
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What? Did he just hope she wouldn't notice the button and ask what it was?



Well Vic, whilst its presence is hypothetical, we can place the button anywhere. My friends' was under the telephone shelf so one would suppose them not to be placed anywhere they can be triggered accidently.

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The attack button at whf was located in one of the bedside cabinets...

We know it was activated at around 3:30am, and that Ralph called police just beforehand. It is a matter of opinion whether Ralph activated the hard wired alarm downstairs, and if June Namber activated the portable one upstairs? It is interesting that Ralph had to go downstairs to use the phone, and that the hard wired attack alarm was also fixed there as well. Because, no sooner does Ralph start speaking to police at 3:26am, than the attack alarm was being activated, and it would make sense for Ralph to have pressed it...y

On the other...

Why did June Bamber walk around from one side of the bed to the other...
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The attack button at whf was located in one of the bedside cabinets...

We know it was activated at around 3:30am, and that Ralph called police just beforehand. It is a matter of opinion whether Ralph activated the hard wired alarm downstairs, and if June Namber activated the portable one upstairs? It is interesting that Ralph had to go downstairs to use the phone, and that the hard wired attack alarm was also fixed there as well. Because, no sooner does Ralph start speaking to police at 3:26am, than the attack alarm was being activated, and it would make sense for Ralph to have pressed it...y

On the other...

Why did June Bamber walk around from one side of the bed to the other...

How do you know it was activated at 3.30? There was never an alarm button in the bedroom. It is quite laughable that you still persist with a call from Nevill to Police.. As for the timings, madness.

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Morning april  I have made my own enquiries since yesterday from a gentleman very high up in the legal profession who informed me that a panic button will only be fitted if a persons life is at risk and once the risk is removed so is the button.  I remember Andrea posting way back in December saying some years ago she was fitted with a panic button for a short period.  We  can speak to her about it next time she is on.It would now appear to me that a panic button would only be fitted at WHF if Ralph's life was under serious threat was this the case I wonder I have no evidence of it.





Panic buttons are usually installed after an event. It was in my bro's case years ago,after a faux-pas was covered up by MI5.

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The attack button at whf was located in one of the bedside cabinets...
Not if your informant(s) misinformed you. It would be somewhat inconvenient to have a cable trailing out of the back of a bedside cabinet. Even if a panic button had been installed there, there could have been a second one downstairs. You have never claimed there was only one.

If the Eatons had an alarm system installed after the murders, they would have been told by the installers that the additional cost of including one or two panic buttons would not be high. Such panic buttons are intended as a means of raising the alarm when the normal alarm system is not set (because the house is occupied). The costly part of any such systems is not the installed hardware, but the charge by the alarm company for receiving and acting upon alarm calls. Many people decide not to pay for that, as it's very expensive.

I note that vidvic states he saw a panic button later, not that he asked the Eatons about when it was installed, and that he thinks he read about it somewhere (but can't recall where).

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Hi lookout  the panic button installed after the event would be done in case the event happened again.  Police don't install panic buttons willy nilly.  They can be installed as Reader has pointed out by a private alarm company but can be very expensive to run.