The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[Alias]

There WAS a panic alarm at WHF active that night. This is a fact Caroline.

I believe you.
For me it makes it even more unlikely that Jeremy would have entered that house alone to kill two children and THREE adults. Too risky without a panic alarm, and even more so WITH one!

[guest154]

I believe you.
For me it makes it even more unlikely that Jeremy would have entered that house alone to kill two children and THREE adults. Too risky without a panic alarm, and even more so WITH one!

Jeremy will have known where that button was though, so could plan for it. Ralph... well he'd make a bee-line for such an alarm.........

[Patti]

If there was a panic button then why wasn't it pressed?  NB was downstairs and he was upstairs.....that mush is fact! 

[Caroline R]

If there was a panic button then why wasn't it pressed?  NB was downstairs and he was upstairs.....that mush is fact! 

It would also have been mentioned other than on here!! Or there would be some documented evidence of it?

[guest154]

If there was a panic button then why wasn't it pressed?  NB was downstairs and he was upstairs.....that mush is fact! 

Because Neville couldn't get to it? Someone gave him an hellacious beating as he attempted to do so.

[Patti]

5 bullet upstair and 3 downstairs...I can't get to grips with this...because NB had 4 fatal bullets that killed him outright...which means he died in the kitchen..but that is not possible!

Something is not right here....wake up and smell the coffee....

5 shots....two to the jaw, one to the shoulder, one to the arm, one to head upstairs....then 3 more to head downstairs.....wake up it does not add up......

[tyler]

Police believe that Nevill took 4 shots in the kitchen but that one of the bullet cases got carried on to the stairs on the bottom of either JB's or one of the raid teams shoe. I'm not so sure.I feel that Nevill took a shot on the stairs due to his blood being up the wallpaper in that area.

[Steve_uk]

It still begs the question as to why Jeremy phoned Julie before the police as he had obviously taken the phone call from his father seriously. [Christ you took a long time].
The time it took for Jeremy to contact the police he could have driven to WHF, which quite honestly is what I would have done.
As for the panic button I am unsure of it's existence, but assuming that it was in place at the time then it can be considered that Ralph could not reach it.

This is a good point buddy. The Police arrive on Jeremy's terms and not Ralph's.

[maggie]

This is a good point buddy. The Police arrive on Jeremy's terms and not Ralph's.

In my experience in similar but nowhere near as dreadful an outcome we do tend to slow down and move and think carefully. Just as physical trauma can make us concentrate on small and unnecessary detail, mental fear can cause similar behaviour in my experience and it should at least be taken into account. None of us know how we will react until we're in such a situation. My main thought was to drive slowly, to make sure I got there in one piece didnt want to be stopped for speeding or have an accident....all irrational thoughts at 2am on empty country roads .

[Patti]

Because Neville couldn't get to it? Someone gave him an hellacious beating as he attempted to do so.

Hi Mat

I do believe NB had a frenzied attack with the rifle whilst sitting in the chair at the side of the aga, close to where a wooden piece from the rifle was found....

Something that bothers me is the use of the word gun....and not rifle...

[Alias]

I have this picture in my mind of Nevill running up and down the stairs at least twice. I think he called Jeremy before he realized just how serious this "incident" was. He ran upstairs after he had called, I think, he wanted to take control of the situation, but he couldn´t. He underestimated the seriousness.

[Steve_uk]

I have this picture in my mind of Nevill running up and down the stairs at least twice. I think he called Jeremy before he realized just how serious this "incident" was. He ran upstairs after he had called, I think, he wanted to take control of the situation, but he couldn´t. He underestimated the seriousness.

But you're forgetting the struggle in the kitchen,the shots which all hit their target,and the ammunition spilled out on the blue and white chequered table top which he would have had the sense to remove from Sheila's grasp at any hint she had a rifle in her possession and given that she had no pockets in her nightie and would have had to return to that area three times to reload.

[maggie]

I have this picture in my mind of Nevill running up and down the stairs at least twice. I think he called Jeremy before he realized just how serious this "incident" was. He ran upstairs after he had called, I think, he wanted to take control of the situation, but he couldn´t. He underestimated the seriousness.

I agree with you alias I imagine Ralph would probably have been up and down the stairs at least twice. We only have the barebones of what happened that night due to bloodstains etc but this was a real life incident not a film set.

[buddy]

With the benefit of hindsight.

No hindsight here. I would definitely high tailed it to the farm, or called the police.

[lookout]

Hence the removal of the bedroom phone,as there wasn't time to go searching under a heap of magazines for the one which was eventually found downstairs.