The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[vidvic]

There WAS a panic alarm at WHF active that night. This is a fact Caroline.

[Caroline R]

There WAS a panic alarm at WHF active that night. This is a fact Caroline.

Why is there no official reference to it? I have no problem in admitting to being wrong, it won't be the first time nor indeed the last but just as the guilty side like to see evidence, I also prefer to see proof and I haven't seen any yet.

[susan]

Morning tyler

how you doing.  It was neither of them that told me about the panic button.  What would be the point of the Eatons having a panic button fitted after Jeremy Bamber was sent to prison for life.  They must have been in fear of their life from another party and I don't think this was the case so the whole matter of this panic button is a mystery.  Jeremy would know of course.   Do we actually know for sure whether the panic button was activated or not I understand two police cars were dispatched from different stations.  Maybe it was not to the prosecutions advantage to bring this up at Trial had the button been activated.  Who knows.  Somebody does.

[Lugg]

Why is there no official reference to it? I have no problem in admitting to being wrong, it won't be the first time nor indeed the last but just as the guilty side like to see evidence, I also prefer to see proof and I haven't seen any yet.

Perhaps Ralph was shot in the back before he could reach it? Or again the fact that he was shot prevented him from reaching it? But it does imply that the killer knew where the panic alarm was?

[tyler]

Some believe that the "panic" button was installed along with the burglar alarm post murders. The burglar alarm was installed immediately after the murders,before the keys were handed to the Eatons,due to the house being unoccupied and the value of antiques etc within. Obviously Jeremy had not been arrested at that stage. If the "panic" alarm had been in situ and "active" pre - murders,it is possible that any information regarding this is held under pii and this could be why there appears to be nothing in the public domain? Susan,you may be correct. It may not have been favourable to police/prosecution to have mentioned it.Especially if it transpires that it had actually been "activated" at a time when police knew for certain that Jeremy WAS indeed at his cottage in Goldhanger!

[susan]

Hello tyler

I only read about this panic button when I came on the forum last year and everything I read was so convincing and as time progressed I knew not to believe everything I read.  I try in my own way to try and work things out but so much evidence was withheld by EP so I try and keep an open mind about everything.  One person who would know about the panic button would be Jeremy but unfortunately we can't ask him.  Maybe Mike knows.  Time will tell.

[Lugg]

Hello tyler

I only read about this panic button when I came on the forum last year and everything I read was so convincing and as time progressed I knew not to believe everything I read.  I try in my own way to try and work things out but so much evidence was withheld by EP so I try and keep an open mind about everything.  One person who would know about the panic button would be Jeremy but unfortunately we can't ask him.  Maybe Mike knows.  Time will tell.

The family obviously know and I trust Vics testimony because I believe he is an honest man.

[susan]

Lugg I agree with you Vic is a very honest guy and would not make things up and to what advantage would it be for the family to make it up.  Does not make sense to me. What would they have to gain.

[tyler]

Well,the problem we have is that Jeremy HAS been asked if whf had a panic alarm and according to him,it was installed along with the burglar alarm post murders. It would help if we had BW's full statement so that we can see for ourselves where she mentions Jeremy activating the alarm prior to the murders,in order to test police response time.

[Caroline R]

The family obviously know and I trust Vics testimony because I believe he is an honest man.

Hi Lugg, I agree that Vic is honest, I have never said anything to the contrary. However, Vic wasn't around at the time and if the button was fitted then there would surely be some evidence. The defense may not have wanted it mentioned but the prosecution most certainly would. If JB tested it to check response times, there would be a record which I feel sure would have been valuable evidence for the prosecution but was never mentioned as far as I can tell and it isn't mentioned by anyone in their statements or in JB's police interview.

We go round and round in circles and often accept things on both sides without evidence and the panic button has been one of those things. After Peter Eaton and the gun saga I won't accept anything as gospel until I see something to back up the claim. One person (at the very least) would surely have mentioned it. If they have, that would be enough to convince me and would be irrefutable.

[tyler]

Mike...I don't suppose you have Barbara Wilson's full statement by any chance please?

[buddy]

Hi Buddy

I think because Ralph phoned Jeremy and did not use the panic button Jeremy did not take the threat too seriously and that is why he did not go into a mad panic.  We have to remember if Ralph Bamber feared for his life he had a panic button at his disposal and he would have used it and not phoned Jeremy at all.

It still begs the question as to why Jeremy phoned Julie before the police as he had obviously taken the phone call from his father seriously. [Christ you took a long time].
The time it took for Jeremy to contact the police he could have driven to WHF, which quite honestly is what I would have done.
As for the panic button I am unsure of it's existence, but assuming that it was in place at the time then it can be considered that Ralph could not reach it.

[susan]

Hi Buddy

the whole scenario I find quite strange.  Why would Jeremy phone Julie to tell her something was wrong at the farm when according to her he had told her he was going to murder his family and tonight's the night (according to steve uk).  I can only think Jeremy did not think the matter at the farm was very serious and maybe Sheila was having a "moment" or he was afraid of what he was going to find at the farm and back tracked so as not to be the first on the scene.  Was Jeremy under the impression Ralph had phoned the police as I said earlier I read two police cars were dispatched from different stations to the scene this would suggest two phone calls or one phone call and one panic button being activated.  Now we seem to have doubt as to whether the panic button was in situ before the murders vidvic who is an extremely honest man says yes and I have read Jeremy says no.

[Caroline R]

It still begs the question as to why Jeremy phoned Julie before the police as he had obviously taken the phone call from his father seriously. [Christ you took a long time].
The time it took for Jeremy to contact the police he could have driven to WHF, which quite honestly is what I would have done.
As for the panic button I am unsure of it's existence, but assuming that it was in place at the time then it can be considered that Ralph could not reach it.

With the benefit of hindsight.

[lookout]

Jeremy was obviously not expecting the seriousness of it all,,as something other than " one of Sheilas' turns " wouldn't have entered his head,,nor would he have known how a situation such as happened,,was handled.
The very fact that he felt he needed to let someone know,i.e.JM, tells me that he was never used to urgent,or unknown situations.
If it had been in the daytime,,Jeremy himself would have driven along at break-neck speed probably,,but getting a call at that unearthly hour would have startled him,,particularly if he'd been in a deep sleep.