The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[susan]

Hi Caroline maybe Mason Doyle will mention it in his book we shall have to wait and see and in the meantime I will get Patti digging she is a good digger

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline maybe Mason Doyle will mention it in his book we shall have to wait and see and in the meantime I will get Patti digging she is a good digger

Bet he doesn't mention it

[susan]

Caroline you could be right maybe somebody is just filling up my head with nonsense it will not be the first time in my life that has happened and probably not the last and it could explain why Ralph did not use it as it was not there makes more sense I suppose   Wonder why it was installed after the murders with Jeremy locked up for life.

[tyler]

Susan,hi! I believe it would have been vidvic who told you the location of the panic button.I think hartley may have mentioned its location long before vidvic joined the forum.I don't dispute that there is a "button",but unfortunately vidvic can not either know or prove that that the button was indeed a panic button or that it was in situ prior to the murders as he did not know the Bamber family. As rightly pointed out by Caroline,if there was indeed a "panic button" installed at whf pre-murders and it was "active",much would have been made of this at trial,especially the "story" that Jeremy had allegedly set it off in order to test police response times.The prosecution would have had a field day with that!

[Caroline R]

Susan,hi! I believe it would have been vidvic who told you the location of the panic button.I think hartley may have mentioned its location long before vidvic joined the forum.I don't dispute that there is a "button",but unfortunately vidvic can not either know or prove that that the button was indeed a panic button or that it was in situ prior to the murders as he did not know the Bamber family. As rightly pointed out by Caroline,if there was indeed a "panic button" installed at whf pre-murders and it was "active",much would have been made of this at trial,especially the "story" that Jeremy had allegedly set it off in order to test police response times.The prosecution would have had a field day with that!

Thank you Tyler! I can't imagine the prosecution keeping that gem to themselves!!

[Steve_uk]

It makes one wonder whether Jeremy had done a dummy run getting in and out of the farmhouse beforehand as he did afterwards in the September to get his passport I believe. In hindsight the Bambers were sitting ducks especially with the wireless telephone out of order and the master bedroom phone moved downstairs.

[Caroline R]

It makes one wonder whether Jeremy had done a dummy run getting in and out of the farmhouse beforehand as he did afterwards in the September to get his passport I believe. In hindsight the Bambers were sitting ducks especially with the wireless telephone out of order and the master bedroom phone moved downstairs.

It wasn't super glued or nailed to the counter top, it could have been moved at any time!! Hardly a master plan!!

[maggie]

It makes one wonder whether Jeremy had done a dummy run getting in and out of the farmhouse beforehand as he did afterwards in the September to get his passport I believe. In hindsight the Bambers were sitting ducks especially with the wireless telephone out of order and the master bedroom phone moved downstairs.

As far as I know steve. it was no secret that Jeremy and some other younger members of the Bamber family used that window to gain entrance to the house when no one was home and the door was locked.  So there was nothing sinister about Jeremy using the window in September 1985 to get his passport.

[Steve_uk]

It wasn't super glued or nailed to the counter top, it could have been moved at any time!! Hardly a master plan!!

That's true,but it would be the first thing Jeremy looked for as he entered the kitchen that morning that the bedroom telephone hadn't moved back upstairs again.

[Steve_uk]

As far as I know steve. it was no secret that Jeremy and some other younger members of the Bamber family used that window to gain entrance to the house when no one was home and the door was locked.  So there was nothing sinister about Jeremy using the window in September 1985 to get his passport.

Maybe not,and Ann Eaton in her statement mentions it was also used as a cat flap,but what a song and dance was made about there being no possible entry for Jeremy in Scott Lomax's book.

[maggie]

Maybe not,and Ann Eaton in her statement mentions it was also used as a cat flap,but what a song and dance was made about there being no possible entry for Jeremy in Scott Lomax's book.

There was no song and dance, however it was mentioned, particularly questioned was how he managed to leave the house, locked  and bolted.  This has never been answered, steve. However, the judge didn't seem to think it mattered how he did it just that he could have...still don't understand that reasoning because no one knows how he could have. imo

[Steve_uk]

There was no song and dance, however it was mentioned, particularly questioned was how he managed to leave the house, locked  and bolted.  This has never been answered, steve. However, the judge didn't seem to think it mattered how he did it just that he could have...still don't understand that reasoning because no one knows how he could have. imo

A catch was banged into place from outside. There's really no mystery.

[maggie]

A catch was banged into place from outside. There's really no mystery.

It was never proven steve, it's just a myth that it was possible imo.

[Caroline R]

It was never proven steve, it's just a myth that it was possible imo.

That's right Maggie - just a theory!!

[Lugg]

A catch was banged into place from outside. There's really no mystery.

Was this ever demonstrated in court?