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Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« on: April 08, 2013, 04:08:PM »
Margaret Thatcher, Britain’s only female Prime Minister to date, has died peacefully today from a stroke at home in London’s Belgravia. She was 87.

She grew up in the harsh economic times of the 1930s, the second daughter of shopkeeper Alfred Roberts, whose own political ambitions were limited to the role of local councillor. Whether her will to succeed came from the knowledge that her father would have preferred a son and her desire to please him and not disappoint one can only guess. She studied Chemistry at Oxford, then Law and became a barrister, during which time she unsuccessfully tried to become an MP, only finally entering parliament in 1959 at a time when the Conservatives were on the way out. She would endure 11 years in opposition before receiving her first Cabinet post as Education Secretary in 1972. She fought  Edward Heath for the leader of the party in 1975 and won the General Election of 1979 to become Prime Minister at a time of perceived national identity crisis for Britain. It was a post she would hold for 11 years.

An often controversial figure, she was a proponent of “housewife economics” determining that a government could not spend more than it could afford, closing many unprofitable industries such a mining and steel and thereby increasing the dole queues to which she was accused of being headstrong, uncaring and insensitive. It was these very qualities which at a time of national crisis during the Falklands War with Argentina came to be seen as strengths by some and won her the General Election of 1983. Thereafter with tax cuts for those in work and an opposition in disarray she kept 40% of the electorate on her side, which was enough to give her another landslide victory in 1987.

However she always attracted controversy and some say she revelled in it. At a Scottish Church convention she stated: “There is no such thing as society” and from that time on she made enemies who would ultimately oust her from office in 1990. The poll tax riots that year were as damaging to her as they had been to the ruling classes in Watt Tyler’s time 600 years before. In foreign policy she was unswervingly unbending with her relations with the European Union, a caricature circulating at the time was her banging her handbag at the conference table in Paris and stating: “We want our money back”. She got some of it in the form of a rebate the French to this day label contemptuously as “le cheque britannique”.

Unmoved, Margaret Thatcher once said “all our problems come from Europe”, a reference to the war years which had so formed her character as a Little Englander. On one summit she changed the flags around the European table so she didn’t have the German flag near. This cost Britain dear in 1992 when the Bundesbank failed to rescue sterling and in another national humiliation the pound fell out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism, the precursor to the Euro. Her inexperience of foreign policy showed again during the reunification of Germany debate, overestimating her own influence on the subject. On the occasion of the first Iraq war she told George Bush “not to go wobbly on me now”, and her many enemies at home who feared another “ Falklands Factor” in the polls vowed to get rid of her. She resigned as Prime Minister rather than face and lose a leadership contest, though her preferred candidate as successor John Major did take up the mantle. She commented ominously that “I’m a good back seat driver”.

However time was not on her side, and Britain desired more social change in terms of the introduction of a  minimum wage, the abolition of hereditary peers, the rebuilding of infrastructure and other legislation protecting the rights of minorities. It was Tony Blair who copied her presidential style and managed to cling onto office for 10 years. Margaret had during this time suffered a series of small strokes and was advised by doctors to end any public speaking. A tell-all book by daughter Carol in 2008 disclosed her mother’s fight with  dementia, as depicted unwisely in the Meryl Streep film The Iron Lady. Whether twins Carol and Mark had resented their mother’s absence as children as she climbed the greasy pole there was surely no excuse for their widowed mother to spend her last Christmas alone in 2012.

 What she saw benignly as giving people more of their own money to spend and not wasted by central government others saw as a lack of responsibility to society as a whole, in particular to the unemployed who never benefited one penny in tax cuts for those in work. With international forces at work with the likes of competition from Germany, China and the Far East ,Britain once again found it couldn’t compete in traditional industries and found itself over-reliant on the banking and service sector. It seemed as if these jobs, primarily in the North were of secondary importance to Margaret Thatcher, where she was never as popular as in her territory of the Home Counties, and economic mistakes were made. In the stand-alone jungle which now pertains in modern-day Britain with concerted attempts to curtail an ever-growing welfare state one might well recall the remark of Danton: “The Revolution devours its own children”. Nothing could be a more fitting epitaph for Margaret Thatcher.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2013, 04:09:PM »
ding dong the witch is dead  the wicked witch is dead.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2013, 05:04:PM »
Margaret Thatcher,Britain’s only female Prime Minister to date has died peacefully today from a stroke at home in London’s Belgravia. She was 87.

She grew up in the harsh economic times of the 1930s,the second daughter of shopkeeper  Alfred Roberts whose own political ambitions were limited to the role of local councillor. Whether her will to succeed came from the knowledge that her father would have preferred a son and her desire to please him and not disappoint one can only guess. She studied chemistry at Oxford,then law and became a barrister,during which time she unsuccessfully tried to become an MP,only finally entering parliament in 1959 at a time when the Conservatives were on the way out. She would endure 11 years in opposition before receiving her first Cabinet post as Education Secretary in 1972. She fought  Edward Heath for the leader of the party in 1975 and won the General Election of 1979 to become Prime Minister at a time of perceived national identity crisis for Britain. It was a post she would hold for 11 years.

An often controversial figure she was a proponent of “housewife economics” determining that a government could not spend more than it could afford,closing many unprofitable industries such a mining and steel and thereby increasing the dole queues to which she was accused of being headstrong, uncaring and insensitive. It was these very qualities which at a time of national crisis during the Falklands War with Argentina came to be seen as strengths by some and won her the General Election of 1983. Thereafter with tax cuts for those in work and an opposition in disarray she kept 40% of the electorate on her side which was enough to give her another landslide victory in 1987.

However she always attracted controversy and some say she revelled in it. At a Scottish Church convention she stated “There is no such thing as society” and from that time on she made enemies who would ultimately oust her from office in 1990. The poll tax riots that year were as damaging to her as they had been to the ruling classes in Watt Tyler’s time 600 years before. In foreign policy she was unswervingly unbending with her relations with the European Union,a caricature circulating at the time was her banging her handbag at the conference table in Paris and stating “We want our money back”. She got some of it in the form of a rebate the French to this day label contemptuously as “le cheque britannique”.

Unmoved Margaret Thatcher once said “all our problems come from Europe”,a reference to the war years which had so formed her character as a Little Englander. On one summit she changed the flags around the European table so she didn’t have the German flag near. This cost Britain dearly in 1992 when the Bundesbank failed to rescue sterling and in another national humiliation the pound fell out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism,the precursor to the Euro. Her inexperience of foreign policy showed again during the reunification of Germany debate,overestimating her own influence on the subject. On the occasion of the first Iraq war she told George Bush “not to go wobbly on me now”,and her many enemies at home who feared another “ Falklands Factor” in the polls vowed to get rid of her. She resigned as Prime Minister rather than face and lose a leadership contest,though her preferred candidate as successor John Major did take up the mantle. She commented ominously that “I’m a good back seat driver”.

However time was not on her side,and Britain desired more social change in terms of the introduction of a  minimum wage,the abolition of hereditary peers,the rebuilding of infrastructure and other legislation protecting the rights of minorities. It was Tony Blair who copied her presidential style and managed to cling onto office for 10 years. Margaret had during this time suffered a series of small strokes and was advised by doctors to end any public speaking. A tell-all book by daughter Carol in 2008 disclosed her mother’s fight with senile dementia,as depicted unwisely in the Meryl Streep film The Iron Lady. Whether twins Carol and Mark had resented their mother’s absence as children as she climbed the greasy pole there was surely no excuse for their widowed mother to spend her last Christmas alone in 2012.

 What she saw benignly as giving people more of their own money to spend and not wasted by central government others saw as a lack of responsibility to society as a whole,in particular to the unemployed who never benefited one penny in tax cuts for those in work. With international forces at work with the likes of competition from Germany,China and the Far East Britain once again found it couldn’t compete in traditional industries and found itself over-reliant on the banking and service sector. It seemed as if these jobs,primarily in the North were of secondary importance to Margaret Thatcher where she was never as popular as in her territory of the Home Counties,and economic mistakes were made. In the stand-alone jungle which now pertains in modern-day Britain with concerted attempts to curtail an ever-growing welfare state one might well recall the remark of Danton: “The Revolution devours its own children”. Nothing could be a more fitting epitaph for Margaret Thatcher.
Good synopsis Steve.  I particularly remember visiting Greenham Common and the CND marches past Downing Street chanting 'Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Out, Out, Out'.   ;D ;D

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 05:14:PM »
87 years to late but nevermind.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 06:26:PM »
R.I.P Iron Lady sad day for your loved ones.

I never agreed with Ma Thatcher's policies.  In fact she and her government caused my family a great deal of heartbreak. 

I will say this is her favour, she had the strength of an OX....

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 06:28:PM »
R.I.P Iron Lady sad day for your loved ones.

I never agreed with Ma Thatcher's policies.  In fact she and her government caused my family a great deal of heartbreak. 

I will say this is her favour, she had the strength of an OX....

She did the opposite for mine, it seems that she is either really liked or really disliked.


RIP Maggie.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 06:47:PM »
She did the opposite for mine, it seems that she is either really liked or really disliked.


RIP Maggie.

Hi Mat

I feel I have to say from a woman's point of view that in a way I admired her for her strength.  She deserves credit where credit is due and she gave millions of people the chance of right to buy...but, sadly on doing so it caused social housing to go on the decline.  We all forget that there are millions of people waiting to be rehomed in this Country.....It would be so much easier if the houses that were sold were replaced by more social houses being built in order to accommodate the needy. sadly this was and has never been addressed. 

She introduce Poll Tax and had to do a U turn....it was wrong to have implemented it in the first place, just as bedroom tax in wrong now. These measures always hit the needy ones in our society.  Not all are bright enough buttons to achieve goals in life like you and I. 

The miners strike hit my family really hard, not my father, he was a builder.  I think you have to have lived in a mining village to witness the consequences this had on its families and the community as a whole...it was devastating.  My uncle was a an overseer and it was hist duty to make sure that our local pit was made safe and had to undergo daily checks. Because my uncle passed the picket line he was called a scab....yet, he gave food parcels, money and support to his friends and neighbours and some of the family never spoke to him again....it made him very ill and caused him to have a heart attack...this was my mothers brother...the feud of the pits still goes on today....all very sad!  :'(

 

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 06:51:PM »
theirs a party going on in Glasgow apparently.

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 06:54:PM »
Hi Patti  Counci Houses were built for needy families and should have been kept for them anyone who could afford to buy should have done so privately this would have stimulated the building trade.  The devastion to Yorkshire and Welsh Mining Villages was horrendous and families were torn apart and some have never recovered from the devastion and never will and it is so sad it had to happen on such a large scale.

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 06:56:PM »
nugnug that does not surprise me as she was disliked in Scotland equally as much as the North of England and Wales and yet her right hand man was a Yorkshire man.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2013, 07:10:PM »
"The lady's not for returning".

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2013, 07:12:PM »
"The lady's not for returning".

Hello Stranger! Nice to see you nice!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2013, 07:17:PM »
Hi Roch  wonder where her sidekick is thought Bernard would have been interviewed by now.  Maybe we have that to look forward to when he has composed himself.

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2013, 07:19:PM »
"The lady's not for returning".
Very clever Roch...hope you are right. ;D ;D