Amanda Knox to face murder retrial

[nugnug]

theve got bugger all chance of getting her back from America now unless she choses to go

[Martin]

theve got bugger all chance of getting her back from America now unless she choses to go

Nugnug

They are about as likely to send her back as they would be to send the hostages back to Iran. American public opinion wouldn’t stand for it and rightly not.

What’s depressing about the posts on this thread is that they highlight the way people can form strong opinions before bothering to find out the true facts about a case. I’ll bet most of you thought Colin Stagg was guilty and at the time were saying things like “I just have a gut feeling he done it, know what I mean!”

She’s A Witch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

[mertol22]

She is lying and lied and for now got away with it, i think its far from over, i hope new evidence says otherwise , if there is one golden rule in law be damm sure you have your facts right.

[Martin]

She is lying and lied and for now got away with it, i think its far from over, i hope new evidence says otherwise , if there is one golden rule in law be damm sure you have your facts right.

She told one lie and that was under duress. They were pressing her to admit that she knew that her boss Patrik Lumumba was the killer and told her that she would would get thirty years if she didn’t tell them what they wanted to know and that was at some time in the middle of night. But suppose we let that one count and don’t complain. What are the other lies?

What is the “mountain” of evidence?

There were only two pieces of evidence, the knife and the bra clasp and they have both been discredited. There is nothing else. Incidently, what Tyler says about Amanda phoning her mother is an outright lie. If she had indeed, told her mother that Meredith had been murdered before the body had been found it would have been used as evidence in court.

[Martin]

I thought this might happen.  The Perugia authorities obviously believe that they had the right culprits.  From what I learned of the case, I felt Knox/Solecito knew more about that night than they were claiming.

Roch, what has happened to you? You are talking like a fully paid up member of the starryian fan club. Next, you’ll be saying that Essex Police obviously believe that they have the right man behind bars. There is a difference between an opinion and an allegiance. Coppers will always be ready to support one another. Ask Mike Tesko.

[Patti]

She told one lie and that was under duress. They were pressing her to admit that she knew that her boss Patrik Lumumba was the killer and told her that she would would get thirty years if she didn’t tell them what they wanted to know and that was at some time in the middle of night. But suppose we let that one count and don’t complain. What are the other lies?

What is the “mountain” of evidence?

There were only two pieces of evidence, the knife and the bra clasp and they have both been discredited. There is nothing else. Incidently, what Tyler says about Amanda phoning her mother is an outright lie. If she had indeed, told her mother that Meredith had been murdered before the body had been found it would have been used as evidence in court.

Hi Martin

Amanda phoned her mother to tell her she was OK but someone had been in her house.  I like you, can't find any concrete evidence to support that she and her boyfriend were involved. 

The man who is serving time for Meridith's murder holds the key to all of this, because he changed his original statement.  DNA confirms he was there, in fact all the forensic evidence points to him as being the killer. 

Ruddy I think his name is....or Rudy??? Said that he and Meridith did not have sex, they had oral sex because neither of them had protection..this was confirmed by forensics.  He said he went to the bathroom, he then heard her scream and when he went out he was confronted by two Italian men.  He went into her bedroom, put a towel around her wound but, could not save her.  he then went to a disco with friends. 

He then changed his statement to say when he came out of the bathroom he saw Amanda and her boyfriend running from the scene......and this is why they stood trail...so I believe..

[Martin]

Hi Martin

Amanda phoned her mother to tell her she was OK but someone had been in her house.  I like you, can't find any concrete evidence to support that she and her boyfriend were involved. 

The man who is serving time for Meridith's murder holds the key to all of this, because he changed his original statement.  DNA confirms he was there, in fact all the forensic evidence points to him as being the killer. 

Ruddy I think his name is....or Rudy??? Said that he and Meridith did not have sex, they had oral sex because neither of them had protection..this was confirmed by forensics.  He said he went to the bathroom, he then heard her scream and when he went out he was confronted by two Italian men.  He went into her bedroom, put a towel around her wound but, could not save her.  he then went to a disco with friends. 

He then changed his statement to say when he came out of the bathroom he saw Amanda and her boyfriend running from the scene......and this is why they stood trail...so I believe..

Thanks, Patti, The case is similar to others where there is a big difference between the popular myth and the objective truth. There was a big smear campaign early on and a lot of people still believe the myths. For example you might have heard the one about Meredith’s blood being found mixed with Amanda’s blood. Well Amanda had no wounds from which she could have bled. So they came up with the idea that she must have had a nosebleed. But she had no injury to her nose.

[tyler]

Yes Patti, I had got it wrong re: AK's reason for the phonecall to her mother.But it was middle of night in Seattle and was before body was discovered. I believe she was involved somehow and regardless of what Martin thinks,I am entitled to my opinion! The true justice for Meredith Kercher website makes for an interesting read.

[Patti]

Thanks, Patti, The case is similar to others where there is a big difference between the popular myth and the objective truth. There was a big smear campaign early on and a lot of people still believe the myths. For example you might have heard the one about Meredith’s blood being found mixed with Amanda’s blood. Well Amanda had no wounds from which she could have bled. So they came up with the idea that she must have had a nosebleed. But she had no injury to her nose.

Hi Martin

I was listening to the Italian police and was amazed as to why they had come to their conclusions.  The top police officer said: He had noticed the way Amanda and her boyfriend had reacted and watched their body language and this all we needed, it tells us that they were guilty....WHAT?? I thought, is he for real? 

They also found blooded footprints outside in the hallway....There was only one set of prints, which indicates that only one person was in that room and that was and is the guy who is convicted of her murder....

There are other things that don't make sense...because when the police arrived, Merdiths bedroom door was locked....?   

[Patti]

Yes Patti, I had got it wrong re: AK's reason for the phonecall to her mother.But it was middle of night in Seattle and was before body was discovered. I believe she was involved somehow and regardless of what Martin thinks,I am entitled to my opinion! The true justice for Meredith Kercher website makes for an interesting read.

Hi Tyler  

How's it going? 

Of course you are entitled to your opinion.... Life on here would be miserable if everyone agreed with each other.  That lass died in awful circumstances, but I do believe that the killer is locked up...There is that much on the internet, and it makes it difficult to form a sound opinion...I stick to what forensic offers......and in this case there isn't much to offer, that is why Amanda was released, she was proved to be not guilty...imo... I'm off to bed, before my head hits the keyboard...speak soon... :D :D :D :D

[Martin]

Yes Patti, I had got it wrong re: AK's reason for the phonecall to her mother.But it was middle of night in Seattle and was before body was discovered. I believe she was involved somehow and regardless of what Martin thinks,I am entitled to my opinion! The true justice for Meredith Kercher website makes for an interesting read.

Tyler

The site you mention is familiar to me. It is a hate site and its contributors lie habitually. Incidentally, I think it may interest you to know that one of the main posters on it is Ian Stephens. When writing on the Bamber case, he generally uses the name starryian or, as on Youtube, starryian007. At TJMK and at Perugia Murder File he is called The Machine.

Here is a link where Ian gives you some idea of where he’s really coming from. He is pro guilt on almost any case where the police or the judiciary are criticised.

http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=570&p=125337#p125337

On this forum Stephens made a ridiculous attack on our members  using the name holly_girl. The post itself was deleted but is preserved as a quote in Jackie’s post. Here is the link.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1218.msg38751.html#msg38751

[Martin]

She told one lie and that was under duress. They were pressing her to admit that she knew that her boss Patrik Lumumba was the killer and told her that she would would get thirty years if she didn’t tell them what they wanted to know and that was at some time in the middle of night. But suppose we let that one count and don’t complain. What are the other lies?

What is the “mountain” of evidence?

There were only two pieces of evidence, the knife and the bra clasp and they have both been discredited. There is nothing else. Incidently, what Tyler says about Amanda phoning her mother is an outright lie. If she had indeed, told her mother that Meredith had been murdered before the body had been found it would have been used as evidence in court.

The Mountain of Missing Evidence
By Steve Moore

Retired FBI agent Steve Moore says that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Many dishonest, or else somewhat dull witted people have made fun of Steve for making this statement because they have taken it to mean a generalisation out of context. Indeed, as such, it is a logical fallacy. Because you haven’t seen any rats in the garden does not mean that no rats are there, but Steve obviously only means to apply it, not merely in a situation when you might expect to find evidence but, over and above that, only when you can be certain or virtually certain that it would be there. Anybody can think of his own examples. If it’s wet outside everywhere, you can tell that it’s been raining. You can be certain of that. On the other hand, if it’s dry everywhere you can tell that it has not been raining, at least not less than ten minutes ago. It’s in such a context as this that the saying “Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.” holds good and that’s all Steve means by it.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI2.html

[tyler]

Martin,I had a look at that website you posted a link to..Justiceinperugia. It is really interesting. I can see that Rudy Guede is clearly guilty,but here is what confuses me. It can clearly be seen that,other than his bloodied footprint on the bathmat,Guede's bloodied shoeprints lead from Meredith's bedroom,up the hall and out the door where he has obviously fled the scene.So how did Meredith's door become locked from the inside?

[Patti]

Martin,I had a look at that website you posted a link to..Justiceinperugia. It is really interesting. I can see that Rudy Guede is clearly guilty,but here is what confuses me. It can clearly be seen that,other than his bloodied footprint on the bathmat,Guede's bloodied shoeprints lead from Meredith's bedroom,up the hall and out the door where he has obviously fled the scene.So how did Meredith's door become locked from the inside?

Hi Tyler

Interesting question, one I would like to know. I'm glad you picked up on that. 

[Martin]

Martin,I had a look at that website you posted a link to..Justiceinperugia. It is really interesting. I can see that Rudy Guede is clearly guilty,but here is what confuses me. It can clearly be seen that,other than his bloodied footprint on the bathmat,Guede's bloodied shoeprints lead from Meredith's bedroom,up the hall and out the door where he has obviously fled the scene.So how did Meredith's door become locked from the inside?

I’ll take a closer look at that aspect of the case. I was given to understand that Rudy used Meredith’s key to lock the door as he left. If the door were known to have been locked from the inside, as when a door is bolted, I suppose the killer would have to have left by the window but, as far as I know, there is no suggestion of that.