Barri White and Keith Hyatt

[Denn15]

Thanks Pattie, I didn't get your email.

[Patti]

Thanks Pattie, I didn't get your email.

Maybe it went in your spam folder....Enjoy now, the ordeal is over...

[Denn15]

The producer of our Rough Justice program ( Louise Shorter ) is on BBC Breakfast tomorrow at 8.10 am. Keith has been asked to appear as well.

Maybe the BBC should reconsider and bring back RJ...

[Denn15]

Keith Hyatt on Newsnight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23966654

[lookout]

I've been reading about Inside Justice,,an " offshoot " of the Rough Justice programme which ended in 2007.
I also watched Keith Hyatt on the news this morning. I still can't get my head around the fact that the evidence of the girls' killer was there 13 years ago. You didn't need to have been a Philadelphia Lawyer to have worked it out.

[killingeve]

clerly they still blame him for something im not sure what or why.

Hi Nugnug

I think they blame Barri for not ensuring that their daughter arrived home safely.  As I understand it Rachel wanted to return to the nightclub they had been partying at to call a cab and Barri didn't due to some earlier disagreement with other party goers.  As a result the pair separated and the rest is sad history. 

[Denn15]

Hi Nugnug

I think they blame Barri for not ensuring that their daughter arrived home safely.  As I understand it Rachel wanted to return to the nightclub they had been partying at to call a cab and Barri didn't due to some earlier disagreement with other party goers.  As a result the pair separated and the rest is sad history.

There was a taxi rank outside the nightclub. Barr didn't want to wait for a cab as a group of lads had tried to start a fight with him, in fact one of them had punched him on the side of his head ( caught on CCTV ). Barri walked away without responding.

I understand Rachel's parents blaming Barri and I know he regrets leaving her that night, however how can he be held responsible for the fact that its not safe for women to walk the streets of Milton Keynes at night.

Thames Valley Police got lucky on this case,

Lucky Ahmed didn't kill again

Lucky he didn't rape (as far a we know)

The girl Ahmed assaulted didn't even want to report it to the police, a passer-by witnessed it and took down the registration number of the car and he reported it to the police. This led to Ahmed's arrest and subsequent DNA sample being taken and the hit on the database.

It makes me wonder how many other girls has he assaulted who didn't report it to the police.

[Denn15]

I've been reading about Inside Justice

Inside Justice web page

http://www.insidetime.org/justice-home.asp

[Jane]

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I understand Rachel's parents blaming Barri and I know he regrets leaving her that night, however how can he be held responsible for the fact that its not safe for women to walk the streets of Milton Keynes at night.

Thames Valley Police got lucky on this case,

Lucky Ahmed didn't kill again

Lucky he didn't rape (as far a we know)

The girl Ahmed assaulted didn't even want to report it to the police, a passer-by witnessed it and took down the registration number of the car and he reported it to the police. This led to Ahmed's arrest and subsequent DNA sample being taken and the hit on the database.

It makes me wonder how many other girls has he assaulted who didn't report it to the police.

I agree entirely with all you say, but reason and emotion are poles apart, and from what I saw of Rachel's mother's statement last night, unless she receives help, she will spend the rest of her life blaming Barri. In her eyes Barri was responsible for Rachel getting into Ahmed's car, his actions forced her in to Ahmed's car, therefore to her, he is and will remain responsible. In order for the process of forgiveness to begin she will have to realise that up till the time Rachel got into Ahmed's car, she had choices. Tragically, she made the wrong ones.

[Patti]

There was a taxi rank outside the nightclub. Barr didn't want to wait for a cab as a group of lads had tried to start a fight with him, in fact one of them had punched him on the side of his head ( caught on CCTV ). Barri walked away without responding.

I understand Rachel's parents blaming Barri and I know he regrets leaving her that night, however how can he be held responsible for the fact that its not safe for women to walk the streets of Milton Keynes at night.

Thames Valley Police got lucky on this case,

Lucky Ahmed didn't kill again

Lucky he didn't rape (as far a we know)

The girl Ahmed assaulted didn't even want to report it to the police, a passer-by witnessed it and took down the registration number of the car and he reported it to the police. This led to Ahmed's arrest and subsequent DNA sample being taken and the hit on the database.

It makes me wonder how many other girls has he assaulted who didn't report it to the police.

This is a typical miscarriage of justice, if not one of the worse of its kind.    Even with today's modern science they had still incarcerated an innocent man for 6 years, that is 6 years too many...Surely after this someone somewhere is going to have to look at the way evidence is brought together and how it is portrayed in court. 

In 2002 the CPS and defence knew there was DNA present on her clothes and on the steering lock, that did not match Barri, so surely they must have come to some sort of conclusion that the DNA belonged to a third party which made it an unsafe conviction at the onset. 

Seriously....this is gross misconducted on behalf of those that went out of their way to secure a verdict on Barri when there was damning evidence that it could have been someone else....This reminds me a little bit of the Jodi case....

[killingeve]

There was a taxi rank outside the nightclub. Barr didn't want to wait for a cab as a group of lads had tried to start a fight with him, in fact one of them had punched him on the side of his head ( caught on CCTV ). Barri walked away without responding.

I understand Rachel's parents blaming Barri and I know he regrets leaving her that night, however how can he be held responsible for the fact that its not safe for women to walk the streets of Milton Keynes at night.

Thames Valley Police got lucky on this case,

Lucky Ahmed didn't kill again

Lucky he didn't rape (as far a we know)

The girl Ahmed assaulted didn't even want to report it to the police, a passer-by witnessed it and took down the registration number of the car and he reported it to the police. This led to Ahmed's arrest and subsequent DNA sample being taken and the hit on the database.

It makes me wonder how many other girls has he assaulted who didn't report it to the police.

Hi Denn15

The only person responsible for Rachel's tragic loss of life is Ahmed. 

As April said when people are hurting they often react angrily and irrationally.

I've worked in an around Milton Keynes for years so know the areas well. 

[Denn15]

A Brief summary of what the rRough Justice Program did in this case

BBC Rough Justice looked at the prosecution case against Barri White and Keith Hyatt.

They found no evidence linking the men with the deposition site. Geologist Dr Peter Bull said it was "impossible" for the men not to have left a trace of "fibrous" material on their clothing or in Keith's van.

CCTV and phone records revealed an "implausible" time-scale for the killing. After strangling Rachel at a phone box, Barri would have had to call Keith, who drove Barri and the body to the golf course, about eight miles away. Rachel's face was disfigured with a steering lock and the men drove back to Keith's house for Barri to leave concerned messages. Forensic psychologist Ian Stephen told Rough Justice the men would have to be "commandos" to do this in 13 minutes and then carry on with life as normal. Keith would have had to clean his van and then make it look dirty, as it was when police examined it.

Prof Pye had said an unusual combination of flint particles from a cigarette lighter were found on Rachel's skirt and on the van seat. Dr Bull tested this theory and found the particles could have come from anywhere during the previous day. Barri, Keith and Rachel all smoked. And why would the men have transported a body in the front seat of an empty van?

BBC Rough Justice discovered the "replacement" steering lock found in Keith's van had not been bought hastily after the murder, as the jury were told, but in 1996.

[guest154]

Denn15, not had any interaction with you on the forum before but I've enjoyed your informative, clear and insightful posts in this topic over the last few days.

[Patti]

Denn15, not had any interaction with you on the forum before but I've enjoyed your informative, clear and insightful posts in this topic over the last few days.

So have I Mat....

[Denn15]

'Life after life: Barri and Keith's story' will feature on Inside Out on BBC1 in the East at 19:30 GMT on Monday 9 September, and later on the iPlayer.

Also Thanks Patti and Mat for your kind comments