Julie's allegation of a hitman

[susan]

Morning Caroline

quite right not everybody who steals things are murderers and example of this is Julie.  I think the whole situation with her got out of hand and she did not leave herself a backdoor and had to go ahead with her story.  Although after seening a photo of her after Jeremy was convicted she did not look too upset then again when you have a cheque coming to your for £25.000 why would you be and all criminal charges against you dropped hence the big smile and pose.  From what steve has told us about Julie what a good person she was and does so much for Charity that is where the cheque should have gone

[maggie]

Lots of people steal things but aren't killers!! I believe she used the hit man in her 'story' because she either heard someone else mention it (and she just elaborated) or she didn't think he would actually be convicted when they found out there was no hit man. However, I don't think she had any intention of going to the police - her hand was forced.

Very true Caroline...we do also have to take into consideration the fact that Julie was very young  and therefore immature. It was typical immature behaviour for a young woman to behave the way Julie did but within moderation.
 
Her idea of revenge was too extreme but she gives the iidea of beig an extreme person...heavy cannabis user, thief, fraudster, she appears to have lacked restraint which is how she managed to go far too far with her accusations ....too far to retract them. Imo

[susan]

Hi Maggie

had Julie who testified against the man she loved filled with so much emotion she could hardly speak done this out of a sense of duty to the murdered victims and received no financial gain or indeed anyother kind of gain criminal charges against her dropped her story would have been more credible but as things are it lacks credibility and shows her to be shallow and without morals.

[Caroline R]

Morning Maggie/Susan.

I agree with you both. I'm wondering how Steve knows she is a 'good person'? Steve talks about those involved as though he knows/knew then personally but I really don't believe he does/did. Lots of people do charity work but perhaps this is Julie's way of easing her conscience?  . I think Julie's story spiralled but  she had no intention of making it official until Liz Rimmington did it for her.

[susan]

Hi Caroline/Maggie

they both are from the same area and I do think he knows Julie he has too much intimate detail about her and Jeremy which I have never read in books and he is so quick to defend her and it is quite obvious he hates Jeremy Bamber.  One or two points he has made on the forum does make me suspect he has personal knowledge of her. Just a gut feeling.

[lookout]

Morning Caroline

quite right not everybody who steals things are murderers and example of this is Julie.  I think the whole situation with her got out of hand and she did not leave herself a backdoor and had to go ahead with her story.  Although after seening a photo of her after Jeremy was convicted she did not look too upset then again when you have a cheque coming to your for £25.000 why would you be and all criminal charges against you dropped hence the big smile and pose.  From what steve has told us about Julie what a good person she was and does so much for Charity that is where the cheque should have gone

Hi Susan,,,very true in what you say about past " crimes " not making them murderers,,but give a dog a bad name and it makes life much easier all round for everyone.
In 1981,,a guy was put in prison ( no evidence whatsoever against his charge of murder ) but because he was notorious in a gang,with a bad criminal background,,he was sent to prison,he's been fighting to be released,the same as Jeremy has,, and has never given up for 32 years.
He,himself knows he's innocent,,along with a few others,,but like JB,,time has gone on,,the officers involved have well retired,left the country or deceased,so everything is left on the back-burner in the hope that these inmates will wither and die.

[maggie]

Hi Caroline/Maggie

they both are from the same area and I do think he knows Julie he has too much intimate detail about her and Jeremy which I have never read in books and he is so quick to defend her and it is quite obvious he hates Jeremy Bamber.  One or two points he has made on the forum does make me suspect he has personal knowledge of her. Just a gut feeling.

Tend to agree with you susie. Steve's posts and emotios about the case do appear to have a personal element. However, his opinions can still very possibly have been formed on hearsay.?

[susan]

Maggie

I do agree his opinions could have been formed on hearsay but why does he jump to Julie's defence with such vigour and he can get very very angry on her behalf.

[lookout]

Maggie

I do agree his opinions could have been formed on hearsay but why does he jump to Julie's defence with such vigour and he can get very very angry on her behalf.

Could be his sister,Susan,,,which I've mentioned on more than one occasion,,,because he'd be fiercely protective of her if that was the case,,,though if it were my brother in the same boat as Julie,,I wouldn't be supporting him under the circumstances.

[maggie]

Maggie

I do agree his opinions could have been formed on hearsay but why does he jump to Julie's defence with such vigour and he can get very very angry on her behalf.

I'm not saying he isn't personally involved I agree with you, just tthink  his arguments are based on hearsay and Wilkes's book.

[Jane]

Lots of people steal things but aren't killers!! I believe she used the hit man in her 'story' because she either heard someone else mention it (and she just elaborated) or she didn't think he would actually be convicted when they found out there was no hit man. However, I don't think she had any intention of going to the police - her hand was forced.

Given that within 48hrs of the murders, JM knew that the family suspected Jeremy, she had plenty of time to form all sorts of scenarios from what she heard them saying, so it's more than a little suspicious that she waits until he dumps her before telling her story and then tells someone she may have been certain would blow the whistle on her behalf.

[Caroline R]

Tend to agree with you susie. Steve's posts and emotios about the case do appear to have a personal element. However, his opinions can still very possibly have been formed on hearsay.?

I think it's just the way he writes, he talks about Neville and June in the same way. Yes, he talks about JM and JB's relationship but who says it's an accurate reflection? I think Steve is simply speculating and using a LOT of poetic license.

[Jane]

Given that within 48hrs of the murders, JM knew that the family suspected Jeremy, she had plenty of time to form all sorts of scenarios from what she heard them saying, so it's more than a little suspicious that she waits until he dumps her before telling her story and then tells someone she may have been certain would blow the whistle on her behalf.

Also of interest is that during her evidence, which shes weeps her way through, she assert that she can no longer bear for Jeremy to touch her. I wonder when she developed this aversion because she also speaks of becoming angry at Jeremy because he was hedging about booking them yet another holiday and sulkily tells him she supposes they'll end up not going anywhere. Nobody picked her up on this point, but I find it very odd that she would want to be in such an intimate situation with the man she can't bear to be touched by, the man she suspects of cheating on her.................Oh yes, and let's not forget, the man who has supposedly murdered 5 members of his family, including 2 "titchies."

[lookout]

I'm afraid Julies' actions speak volumes to the initiated.!

[Caroline R]

Also of interest is that during her evidence, which shes weeps her way through, she assert that she can no longer bear for Jeremy to touch her. I wonder when she developed this aversion because she also speaks of becoming angry at Jeremy because he was hedging about booking them yet another holiday and sulkily tells him she supposes they'll end up not going anywhere. Nobody picked her up on this point, but I find it very odd that she would want to be in such an intimate situation with the man she can't bear to be touched by, the man she suspects of cheating on her.................Oh yes, and let's not forget, the man who has supposedly murdered 5 members of his family, including 2 "titchies."

Julie's testimony is like the Bayeux Tapestry - embroidered!!