Who Bled here?

[Patti]

There's a description of what happened on pages 412 - 414 of Wilkes book, basically, JB wanted to commission Macdonnell and did a deal with the Sunday Sport to raise money (wouldn't have thought that was possible). The money was shared between himself and a go between but JBs share soon ran out. Wilkes then did a deal with JB whereby he would have access to the defence files in return for commissioning the report to JBs specification.

I don't think its possible Bridget, surely this is not the case....You said it was the defence that used this document, yet it incriminates Jeremy.  Its utter crap if you ask me.  I think there is a bit of fobbing off here where Wilkes and Robinson are concerned...it strikes me that something more fishy was going on....What a find though...lol 

[Bridget]

I don't think its possible Bridget, surely this is not the case....You said it was the defence that used this document, yet it incriminates Jeremy.  Its utter crap if you ask me.  I think there is a bit of fobbing off here where Wilkes and Robinson are concerned...it strikes me that something more fishy was going on....What a find though...lol 

I didn't say the defence used it, I said they commissioned it. Clearly it wasn't any use to them! Nothing fishy, JB asked for a report in return for access to files. It wasn't Wilkes fault JB didn't like the results!

[Patti]

I didn't say the defence used it, I said they commissioned it. Clearly it wasn't any use to them! Nothing fishy, JB asked for a report in return for access to files. It wasn't Wilkes fault JB didn't like the results!

So why wasn't the report sent to JB...Why Robinson publishers...Surely JB would not insist that the forensic findings would only include the rifle with the moderator on...

Its clear that JB must have had contact with him....I do believe that in the end Wilkes had more to do with the relatives than he did with Jeremy in the end.  I know for sure he visited them, but I wont reveal my source...Sorry for being a pain....I sometimes miss posts and when I go back, my questions have already been answered....sorry for that.... :D :D :D :D

[Bridget]

So why wasn't the report sent to JB...Why Robinson publishers...Surely JB would not insist that the forensic findings would only include the rifle with the moderator on...

Robinsons were paying, and I guess acting as his agent in the dealings with Macdonnell. I think at the time JB decided to commission this report his line was that the silencer was used, but that the blood within it was not Sheila's, rather it was a mixture of Neville and June's.

[Patti]

Robinsons were paying, and I guess acting as his agent in the dealings with Macdonnell. I think at the time JB decided to commission this report his line was that the silencer was used, but that the blood within it was not Sheila's, rather it was a mixture of Neville and June's.

I think that the reason Robinson was involved was make sure his company had sales for a book by Roger Wilkes. 

Its clear that JB must have had contact with Mcdonnell and sent him some photographic evidence.....I do believe that in the end Wilkes turned his back on him and, had more to do with the relatives than he did with Jeremy.  I know for sure he visited them, but I wont reveal my source...Sorry for being a pain....I sometimes miss posts and when I go back, my questions have already been answered....sorry for that....    :D :D :D :D

It just means that Sheila could not have shot herself with the silencer on....we already knew that was likely to be impossible...I suppose I have to congratulate Wilkes that he went that extra mile to gather evidence for his book....I wonder what McDonnell would have said in his findings if there was no mention of a silencer....would he have said it was possible for Sheila to have shot herself, because it is likely that she could have... :D :D :D

[Bridget]

Its clear that JB must have had contact with him....I do believe that in the end Wilkes had more to do with the relatives than he did with Jeremy in the end.  I know for sure he visited them, but I wont reveal my source...Sorry for being a pain....I sometimes miss posts and when I go back, my questions have already been answered....sorry for that.... :D :D :D :D

Any bias Wilkes may or may not have had is pretty irrelevant. It seems that MacDonnell was considered practically god when it came to forensic ballistics and bloodstain interpretation.

[tyler]

Patti,Jeremy wanted to commission Macdonnell and used his share of money from Wilkes book to do so.I would have thought that he believed it was fact that the silencer was on for the shots to Sheila as that's what was concluded in court and is pretty much what convicted him.Macdonnell didn't even bother looking at all the photographs that he was sent!As I posted earlier,I read somewhere that Macdonnell has since changed his stance.You are correct re:Wilkes,he is still in contact with the relatives.

[Patti]

Any bias Wilkes may or may not have had is pretty irrelevant. It seems that MacDonnell was considered practically god when it came to forensic ballistics and bloodstain interpretation.

So you don't think it was bias to ask for an advisory report which only included the silencer being attached to the rifle?  Like I say I admire Wilkes for his strength in going that extra mile...but I think at the end of the day JB backed or Ewan backed out for some reason.....and, Robinson and Wilkes did there own bit of research...That's my opinion anyway! Unless you are right and Robinson was a go between for JB and ES, but sounds unlikely...for Macdonnell would have sent the report to Ewan or Jeremy and not to Robinson. 

Thank you btw! 

[Bridget]

So you don't think it was bias to ask for an advisory report which only included the silencer being attached to the rifle?  Like I say I admire Wilkes for his strength in going that extra mile...but I think at the end of the day JB backed or Ewan backed out for some reason.....and, Robinson and Wilkes did there own bit of research...That's my opinion anyway! Unless you are right and Robinson was a go between for JB and ES, but sounds unlikely...for Macdonnell would have sent the report to Ewan or Jeremy and not to Robinson. 

Thank you btw! 

The deal was that JB would give Wilkes / Robinson access to the files in return for them commissioning a report to JBs specification. He (JB) dictated what was to be asked.

No problem

[Patti]

Patti,Jeremy wanted to commission Macdonnell and used his share of money from Wilkes book to do so.I would have thought that he believed it was fact that the silencer was on for the shots to Sheila as that's what was concluded in court and is pretty much what convicted him.Macdonnell didn't even bother looking at all the photographs that he was sent!As I posted earlier,I read somewhere that Macdonnell has since changed his stance.You are correct re:Wilkes,he is still in contact with the relatives.

Hi Tyler

So why did Macdonnell write to Nick Robinson of Robinson publishers who published Wilkes's book and not to Ewan or Jeremy....2 years later than the letter dated to Jeremy form Mcdonnell?  I don't think ES and JB took anything up in the end with Macdonnell, it might have been too costly......I think Robinson funded it all in the end for Wilkes so that his book had a better chance of selling...Its a fact that publishers like their clients to research properly because it helps sell their books....mind boggles...lol 

[Patti]

The deal was that JB would give Wilkes / Robinson access to the files in return for them commissioning a report to JBs specification. He (JB) dictated what was to be asked.

No problem

where is the proof of that?  please don't tell me its in wilkes's book...lol  sorry about not using capitals, I am getting tired...lol   

[Bridget]

where is the proof of that?  please don't tell me its in wilkes's book...lol  sorry about not using capitals, I am getting tired...lol   

Well how do you suppose Wilkes got hold of the photos and reports to send to Macdonnell?

[bigdave1975]

My poll now includes a dont know option.

[Lugg]

Any bias Wilkes may or may not have had is pretty irrelevant. It seems that MacDonnell was considered practically god when it came to forensic ballistics and bloodstain interpretation.

A god with clay feet. He probably got a better offer from a richer source?

[Bridget]

A god with clay feet. He probably got a better offer from a richer source?

Well, of course it is theoretically possible to purchase a particular opinion from an expert, although I wonder how much you'd have to pay for someone like him to risk their reputation. But it seems clear that JB was warned that he would be blunt in his findings, and he was.