The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...

[mike tesko]

OK, so if Jeremy disagrees with you on this, you wrote that earlier, is he too, " hell bent on pinning the responsibility for Sheila's death upon himself" ?

I am not hell bent on anything, please!

I am saying, that it does not necessarilly follow that if someone shot Sheila, and she did not shoot herself, that it was Jeremy who shot her. If police shot her upon entry to the kitchen, and later upstairs in the bedroom, how does that equate with Jeremy having had anything at all to do with her death? 

How can he have stage managed her body on the bedroom floor, if the police shot her downstairs and killed her upstairs in the bedroom?

[mike tesko]

I am saying, that it does not necessarilly follow that if someone shot Sheila, and she did not shoot herself, that it was Jeremy who shot her. If police shot her upon entry to the kitchen, and later upstairs in the bedroom, how does that equate with Jeremy having had anything at all to do with her death? 

How can he have stage managed her body on the bedroom floor, if the police shot her downstairs and killed her upstairs in the bedroom?

Let me bring you up to speed with why the police went to the scene on 8th August 1985, with a metal detector - they had to find the cartridge case from the round fired into Sheila's neck, by the gun in the possession of PS Woodcock (Special Branch Officer) when he went into the kitchen, the day before (7th August 1985). Just as a point of interest, although SOC recovered that bullet case from PS Woodcocks weapon, why wasn't it given an exhibit reference, in the investighation?

[maggie]

Let me bring you up to speed with why the police went to the scene on 8th August 1985, with a metal detector - they had to find the cartridge case from the round fired into Sheila's neck, by the gun in the possession of PS Woodcock (Special Branch Officer) when he went into the kitchen, the day before (7th August 1985). Just as a point of interest, although SOC recovered that bullet case from PS Woodcocks weapon, why wasn't it given an exhibit reference, in the investighation?

I imagine, they didn't want to find it to exhibit it Mike, they wanted to find it to hide it??

[mike tesko]

I imagine, they didn't want to find it to exhibit it Mike, they wanted to find it to hide it??

I agree, but in any event, they did find the bullet case, to the bullet fired by PS Woodcock into the side of Sheila's neck, as he was trying to get into the kitchen through the small gap of the internal door...

I was first told about the metal detector by David Shaw in one of his email posts to me, albeit he did not tell me at that stage what it was the police had gone to the scene with a metal detector for, although he did indicate it had some significance worthy of consideration...

[maggie]

I agree, but in any event, they did find the bullet case, to the bullet fired by PS Woodcock into the side of Sheila's neck, as he was trying to get into the kitchen through the small gap of the internal door...

I was first told about the metal detector by David Shaw in one of his email posts to me, albeit he did not tell me at that stage what it was the police had gone to the scene with a metal detector for, although he did indicate it had some significance worthy of consideration...

Really interesting Mike to see it all drawn together.  The report of the shot in the kitchen, the fractured bullet replaced by a whole bullet, the metal detector....makes you think.

[bigdave1975]

What type of calibre do the police use?

[bigdave1975]

What type of calibre do the police use?

[bigdave1975]

I think the cops did it and covered it all up.

[Reader]

The number "1612" appears in a column headed "A/M NO", so it seems to be a police "action number". We don't know whether any official reference number exists for the report itself. I think mike tesko has indicated that Essex Police have been asked for the report, but he hasn't told us (as far as I know) what reason they gave for not supplying it or even whether they replied at all to the request.

[bigdave1975]

Why is nobody talking
?

[mike tesko]

What everyone should not lose track of, is the FACT that neither of the first two silencers which had been sent to the lab', on 13th and 30th August 1985, had the same exhibit mark (DRB/1) as the silencer produced at trial by the prosecution bearing the exhibit mark DRB/1. Furthermore, according to the documentary evidence the crucial flake of bood which produced the damning blood group (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) evidence, was not found in DRB/1, but DB/1, which had been sent to the lab', on 30th August 1985...

Now...

It would be hardly likely that police would submit a silencer to the lab', to be examined on 30th August 1985, and it be the same silencer David Boutflour finds in the cupboard, if as was the case, that David Boutflour did not contact the police by telephone on the 11th September 1985, to report that he had found a silencer in a cupboard at the scene? He reports the find of the silencer (DRB/1) to the police (11th September 1985) 12 days too late for the silencer which was sent to the lab', on 30th August 1985, to be the same silencer...

What this exercise establishes is that the crucial flake of blood was not found inside the Bamber family owned silencer from the gun cupboard, it can't have been, because David Boutflour hadn't yet reported its find, by the time the other silencer (DB/1) had been sent to the lab', on 30th August 1985...

The crucial flake of blood was found inside the silencer DB/1, which could not possibly have been the same silencer David Boutflour found in the cupboard on 10th August 1985, because he did not report finding it until a month later (11th September 1985)...

Changed a date from 1975 to 1985

[Roch]

I agree, but in any event, they did find the bullet case, to the bullet fired by PS Woodcock into the side of Sheila's neck, as he was trying to get into the kitchen through the small gap of the internal door...

I was first told about the metal detector by David Shaw in one of his email posts to me, albeit he did not tell me at that stage what it was the police had gone to the scene with a metal detector for, although he did indicate it had some significance worthy of consideration...

I first read of the metal detector in Hunter's unpublished manuscript.  Cant remember the exact wording but it's something similar to the police having returned the following day to the incident and having used a metal detector but only in the kitchen.

[-Harters-]

I first read of the metal detector in Hunter's unpublished manuscript.  Cant remember the exact wording but it's something similar to the police having returned the following day to the incident and having used a metal detector but only in the kitchen.

One bullet relating to Ralphs wounds was not recovered (bullet No. 8 ), I suspect that they searched for it.

[mike tesko]

 Police recovered 25 bullets and 25 bullet cases - if one bullet was / is missing, it must also follow that there is a bullet case missing...

Now...

The original PV/20 bullet retrieved from Sheila's neck was badly fragmented on 7th August 1985, but by 20th September 1985, it had become transformed as if by magic into a whole bullet, which enabled the ballistic expert to link it to the anshulz rifle. If there was / is a missing bullet, there must also be a missing bullet case - I would bet a pound to a penny that the missing bullet, and bullet case, is linked to the non fatal shot across Sheila's neck, and the missing bullet case belongs, to that round..

[-Harters-]

One bullet relating to Ralphs wounds was not recovered (bullet No. 8 ), I suspect that they searched for it.

A bullet in the twins room was also not recovered.