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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #195 on: February 17, 2013, 09:15:PM »
A simple answer could also be that a shooting incident that HAD happened was being reported.
Well it could Alias but the way it was reported seemed to suggested a shooting incident that took place as or after they entered.  Certainly, none of it is clear. :)

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #196 on: February 17, 2013, 09:54:PM »
No.
It becomes very complicated that Sheila was first shot with the silencer attached, then she was shot without the silencer.
Your claim Sheila did not shoot herself puts the blame right back to Jeremy. IMO and in short.

If Sheila was shot it does not necessarilly mean that Jeremy shot her, you are jumping to the wrong conclusion in my opinion, you are jumping to the wrong conclusion because there exists other evidence to support the case for the police having shot her when they went into the farmhouse. You and everybody else who appear hell bent on pinning the responsibility for Sheila's death upon Jeremy, may choose to ignore this evidence, but I can't and won't. You see what we have got are very serious contradictions concerning where police say they originally found the bodies of the victims upon entry to the premises. The jury were never told about these / those discrepancies. How could police find the bodies of one dead male and a dead female downstairs upon entry to the kitchen and a further three bodies upstairs by 8:10am, yet the official version is that only the body of Ralph Bamber was found downstiars, and the other four victims found upstairs?  How could police make such fundamental errors about the body count upstairs and downstairs, and when the matter comes to trial they keep the truth from the jury? Why not tell the jury about these mistakes, if they were only mistakes? Can police who work for Essex count beyond the number 1? Do they know the difference between upstairs and downstairs at the scene? Did they know or were they sufficiently tarined to be able to tell the difference between a female and a male? Now, there is nothing complicated about me saying that I believe that one of the shots inflicted to Sheila's neck was caused by a gun with a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel, because I can point you in the direction of a mark around the non fatal neck wound to which bullet entry wound involving the fragmented bullet PV/20, refers. The mark there has the same general characteristics as the dimensions for the end cap of the silencer. How strange that six weeks later, this fragmented bullet (PV/20) should become transformed into a whole one to enable the ballistics expert to confirm that it was fired through the family owned rifle, presented as the murder weapon...

Could you please explain to me, how a fragmented bullet as of 7th August 1985, can become transformed into a whole bullet by 20th September 1985, without the police having tampered with it? Next, if they tampered with it, as they surely must have done, why did they tamper with it?

Now, nothing what I have said is complicated, its all simple, all there for everyone to see and consider, the only problem is that police cannot explain it away without putting themsleves in the shit...
« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 10:05:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #197 on: February 17, 2013, 10:04:PM »
Mike, I do know there was a mention of a shooting incident in the kitchen when the raid team entered....no more information.  The simplest answer to that is someone was shot at that time imo
Where does that come from Maggie?

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #198 on: February 17, 2013, 10:06:PM »
And i am quite inteligent myself. . . my key got snapped in the lock.
Were you holding the key at the time or did someone else snap it off for you?

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #199 on: February 17, 2013, 10:07:PM »
Where does that come from Maggie?


Re: So and so, said so...

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Quote from: mike tesko on February 14, 2013, 02:48:AM

"The key piece of information contained in the typed edited version of that report, are the comments, "a person has been shot", he says, " the shot person being Sheila", he says, adding, "source where that / this information came from, unknown", said he...
« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 10:08:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #200 on: February 17, 2013, 10:08:PM »
Were you holding the key at the time or did someone else snap it off for you?
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« Reply #201 on: February 17, 2013, 10:09:PM »

Re: So and so, said so...

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Quote from: mike tesko on February 14, 2013, 02:48:AM

"The key piece of information contained in the typed edited version of that report, are the comments, a person has been shot", he says, " the shot person being Sheila", he says, adding, "source where that / this information came from, unknown", said he...
So there is no document on the forum that we can examine Mike, is there?

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #202 on: February 17, 2013, 10:10:PM »
Where does that come from Maggie?


I too vaguely remember it to be the case as well,,,on first reading about it,,,that indeed a shot was fired.

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #203 on: February 17, 2013, 10:10:PM »
So there is no document on the forum that we can examine Mike, is there?

I believe there is a copy of it on another thread, if not I will source it out and post it as soon as I can...
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #204 on: February 17, 2013, 10:11:PM »
Where does that come from Maggie?
Out of my head Lugg ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I will have to try and remember where I saw it tomorrow but I know I have read it. It may be in Lomax's book which I have leant to someone but I had already read it somewhere on the forum before I read his book just recently.  The metal detector is even harder for me to remember but I know I've read it.  I am sure Mike will know. :-\ :-\

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« Reply #205 on: February 17, 2013, 10:13:PM »
I believe there is a copy of it on another thread, if not I will source it out and post it as soon as I can...
Thanks Mike. If there was a shot on entry, it would be interesting to know who/what they were firing at?

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« Reply #206 on: February 17, 2013, 10:16:PM »
Thanks Mike. If there was a shot on entry, it would be interesting to know who/what they were firing at?
Don't think they tell us what the shot was about lugg which makes what Mike says very interesting imo
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #207 on: February 17, 2013, 10:24:PM »

All I recall being posted before is the above.

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #208 on: February 17, 2013, 10:26:PM »
If Sheila was shot it does not necessarilly mean that Jeremy shot her, you are jumping to the wrong conclusion in my opinion, you are jumping to the wrong conclusion because there exists other evidence to support the case for the police having shot her when they went into the farmhouse. You and everybody else who appear hell bent on pinning the responsibility for Sheila's death upon Jeremy, may choose to ignore this evidence, but I can't and won't. You see what we have got are very serious contradictions concerning where police say they originally found the bodies of the victims upon entry to the premises. The jury were never told about these / those discrepancies. How could police find the bodies of one dead male and a dead female downstairs upon entry to the kitchen and a further three bodies upstairs by 8:10am, yet the official version is that only the body of Ralph Bamber was found downstiars, and the other four victims found upstairs?  How could police make such fundamental errors about the body count upstairs and downstairs, and when the matter comes to trial they keep the truth from the jury? Why not tell the jury about these mistakes, if they were only mistakes? Can police who work for Essex count beyond the number 1? Do they know the difference between upstairs and downstairs at the scene? Did they know or were they sufficiently tarined to be able to tell the difference between a female and a male? Now, there is nothing complicated about me saying that I believe that one of the shots inflicted to Sheila's neck was caused by a gun with a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel, because I can point you in the direction of a mark around the non fatal neck wound to which bullet entry wound involving the fragmented bullet PV/20, refers. The mark there has the same general characteristics as the dimensions for the end cap of the silencer. How strange that six weeks later, this fragmented bullet (PV/20) should become transformed into a whole one to enable the ballistics expert to confirm that it was fired through the family owned rifle, presented as the murder weapon...

Could you please explain to me, how a fragmented bullet as of 7th August 1985, can become transformed into a whole bullet by 20th September 1985, without the police having tampered with it? Next, if they tampered with it, as they surely must have done, why did they tamper with it?

Now, nothing what I have said is complicated, its all simple, all there for everyone to see and consider, the only problem is that police cannot explain it away without putting themsleves in the shit...

OK, so if Jeremy disagrees with you on this, you wrote that earlier, is he too, " hell bent on pinning the responsibility for Sheila's death upon himself" ?

I am not hell bent on anything, please!

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« Reply #209 on: February 17, 2013, 10:27:PM »

All I recall being posted before is the above.
That is an intriguing reference. Thank you Reader.