I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[Alias]

When discovery of the circular mark around the non fatal bullet wound on Sheila's throat was first mentioned to Jeremy by myself, and I reported to him what Ewen had said, Jeremy was fuming, he asked to see a copy of the image being referred to, and when the circular mark was pointed out to him, he said the circular bruise type mark could be bruising cause by impact of the bullet striking the fleshy part of the throat making the flesh stretch and retract - he called it an impact bruise, yet non of the other 24 wounds had similar marks around them...

Well Mike, you are convincing me that Jeremy was behind this after all. That is, if I accept that that discoloration was caused by a sound moderator, which I am not sure I do. It looks too wide/large to be from a moderator, besides, why would such a mark stay on the skin for hours and hours?

[mike tesko]

I can see it..It's as plain as a pikestaff.

Hi Lookout,

the mark is there, and it took two gun enthusiasts named Mssrs Smith and Mallinson to draw attention to it, and its significance...

The police, the pathologist, the prosecution ballistic expert, the Prosecutor nor the trial judge commented upon it at all, it was if they were trying not to have to deal with its presence there on Sheila's neck...

[mike tesko]

Hi Lookout,

the mark is there, and it took two gun enthusiasts named Mssrs Smith and Mallinson to draw attention to it, and its significance...

The police, the pathologist, the prosecution ballistic expert, the Prosecutor nor the trial judge commented upon it at all, it was if they were trying not to have to deal with its presence there on Sheila's neck...

And another thing...

why did the police tamper with the badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) associated with the bullet entry wound around which existed the circular mark in question - on 7th August 1985, bullet PV/20 was badly fragmented, yet by 20th September 1985, it had grown into a whole bullet, that allowed the ballistic expert to link it to the anshulz rifle...

[mike tesko]

Establishing whether or not a sound moderator made the circular mark or not upon Sheila's throat around the non fatal bullet entry wound, is the key to solving the mystery surrounding Sheila Caffells death, (1) did she kill herself, (2) did Jeremy shoot her, (3) did police shoot her?

[mike tesko]

Establishing whether or not a sound moderator made the circular mark or not upon Sheila's throat around the non fatal bullet entry wound, is the key to solving the mystery surrounding Sheila Caffells death, (1) did she kill herself, (2) did Jeremy shoot her, (3) did police shoot her?

Careful consideration of the now known facts, shows that Sheila did not shoot herself, and that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot her, but the police did - once downstairs in the region of the main kitchen as the raid team entered the premises, and later on when she was shot upstairs in the main bedroom, shot under the chin in a bizarre training exercise...

[lookout]

Careful consideration of the now known facts, shows that Sheila did not shoot herself, and that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot her, but the police did - once downstairs in the region of the main kitchen as the raid team entered the premises, and later on when she was shot upstairs in the main bedroom, shot under the chin in a bizarre training exercise...

An experiment that went badly wrong,Mike.

[Steve_uk]

I don't think even the Jeremy supporters accept that theory due to the patterns of the bloodstains on Sheila's nightie.

[Alias]

Careful consideration of the now known facts, shows that Sheila did not shoot herself, and that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot her, but the police did - once downstairs in the region of the main kitchen as the raid team entered the premises, and later on when she was shot upstairs in the main bedroom, shot under the chin in a bizarre training exercise...

I have to say that I do not believe that the police shot Sheila - why would they?! If this mark is indeed from a sound moderator, this was not a accidental shot, someone held the rifle firmly to her neck for that mark to be there. So what you are saying is that the EP shot Sheila not accidentally, but quite deliberately and TWICE!

[mike tesko]

Sheila was shot twice, once non fatally across the throat, and secondly shot fatally directly under the chin - it must mean that the first shot inflicted downstairs in the region of the kitchen was by use of a gun with a silencer fitted to its barrel. This gun could not have been the anshulz rifle, because at the precise time the raid team were forcing their way into the farmhouse the anshulz rifle was resting up against the main bedroom window (still loaded), where it had been spotted 15 minutes or so beforehand by a trained firearms instructor, WPC Julia Jeapes...

[Patti]

Careful consideration of the now known facts, shows that Sheila did not shoot herself, and that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot her, but the police did - once downstairs in the region of the main kitchen as the raid team entered the premises, and later on when she was shot upstairs in the main bedroom, shot under the chin in a bizarre training exercise...

I don't believe it Mike.  I think the whole thing is made up and its ruining Jeremy's chance of ever proving his innocence if this talk is going to continue.  If that mark is done by a silencer this means Jeremy is guilty of shooting two little boys and the rest of his family.  Its outrageous to even contemplate that the police killed Sheila....

[mike tesko]

An experiment that went badly wrong,Mike.

Yes, it went badly wrong, and it turned out to be a poor job of a cover up, the only reason the police have got away with it for so long, was / is because they withheld vital information and photographs from Bamber and his legal team, and altered the crime reference number of the case, from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85...

7.37am - the body of one dead male, and the body of one female found upon entry...

7.38am - one dead male, one dead female...

7.42am - can somebody contact the police surgeon and coroners officer regarding two bodies...

7.45am - can SOC come into office because police are dealing with an operation at whf involving a murder, and a suicide...

8.10am - after a thorough search of the premises a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total...

[Alias]

I don't believe it Mike.  I think the whole thing is made up and its ruining Jeremy's chance of ever proving his innocence if this talk is going to continue.  If that mark is done by a silencer this means Jeremy is guilty of shooting two little boys and the rest of his family.  Its outrageous to even contemplate that the police killed Sheila....

Yes, but if he did it, he is where he belongs, right? Not that I am convinced by this, I am just making my reaction clear to Mike. I am not the only one out there with the same reaction, surely! (Apart from you, Patti.)
I don´t believe for a second that the police shot Sheila!

[Patti]

Yes, but if he did it, he is where he belongs, right? Not that I am convinced by this, I am just making my reaction clear to Mike. I am not the only one out there with the same reaction, surely! (Apart from you, Patti.)
I don´t believe for a second that the police shot Sheila!

Thanks Alias because I thought I was alone with this.  Its going to take some convincing, I am so confused now with it all. Too much untruths have been told and my mind can't cope with it.  Sorry, but its the way I feel.....I thought this forum was to support Jeremy....I'm off to bed Alias, will catch up tomorrow..Night Night Alias/All.......

[mike tesko]

I don't believe it Mike.  I think the whole thing is made up and its ruining Jeremy's chance of ever proving his innocence if this talk is going to continue.  If that mark is done by a silencer this means Jeremy is guilty of shooting two little boys and the rest of his family.  Its outrageous to even contemplate that the police killed Sheila....

Hi Patti,

Why have police tampered with the original badly fragmented bullet PV/20, by substituting it with a whole bullet, so that they could get their ballistic expert to link / associate that substitute bullet to a rifle photographed on top of Sheila's body. Why are there so many inconsistencies in the logs from the scene? What were the original pages of PS Woodcocks 13 page witness statement edited out, covering his actual entry into the kitchen at the time the original timed messages, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45 and 8.10am, were being passed? I believe I am right in saying that police shot Sheila lawfully during a struggle between PS Woodcock and Sheila when the former was squeezing through a restricted gap of the inner main kitchen door and was challenged by Sheila, a struggle which resulted in the rifle in Woodcocks possession going off, wounding her in the throat. Police thought she was dead, and had to search the remaining rooms of the farmhouse, downstairs and upstairs...

This was what really happened...

[mike tesko]

Hi Patti,

Why have police tampered with the original badly fragmented bullet PV/20, by substituting it with a whole bullet, so that they could get their ballistic expert to link / associate that substitute bullet to a rifle photographed on top of Sheila's body. Why are there so many inconsistencies in the logs from the scene? What were the original pages of PS Woodcocks 13 page witness statement edited out, covering his actual entry into the kitchen at the time the original timed messages, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45 and 8.10am, were being passed? I believe I am right in saying that police shot Sheila lawfully during a struggle between PS Woodcock and Sheila when the former was squeezing through a restricted gap of the inner main kitchen door and was challenged by Sheila, a struggle which resulted in the rifle in Woodcocks possession going off, wounding her in the throat. Police thought she was dead, and had to search the remaining rooms of the farmhouse, downstairs and upstairs...

This was what really happened...

7.37am - the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry to kitchen...

7.38am - one dead male, one dead female...

7.42am - can someone contact the police surgeon and coroners officer regarding two bodies...

7.45am - SOC come into office because police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide...